A challenge to all MVP's.......GET A J.O.B. for once in your life

You guys who hang around here are some of the sorriest and most incompetent
programmers( if you can even be called that) ever!!!

The only thing you know are reference books and theory that's been proven
wrong in the real world
You sit in front of your computer answering the SAME nickel and dime
questions day after day, week after week, year after year so you can't
possibly have any real experience in making an actual program and all you do
is give BAD advice to those seeking it here.

As far as I am concerned, Microsoft should end the MVP program as all that
it fosters is wanna be programmers who only give bad advice and never DO as
they ADVISE. You have essentially ZERO experience in coding .NET to begin
with.


DEAR MICROSOFT:
Kill off the MVP program. It only fosters people who strive for publicity in
trying to get a programming job as opposed to being actually able to do the
job. The MVP's only make programmers and the software industry look bad as
a whole as these people are supposed to be MOST VALUEABLE....when in they in
fact are the MOST WORTHLESS programmers ever, especially when they actually
do get a job they only sit around with theory, and all that nonsense of
architecture and best practices only to not even deliver the project to
begin with. Why not put all that theory and knowledge to the test and
actually see if it really works? Ha ha ha..like you can even do that?

All these people do is get silly certification and they STILL CANNOT GET A
JOB!!! Much less actually do the job.....Imagine that!!! It's no wonder
companies go off shore, as the quality of software sucks anyway, so why pay
extra in the US when it's going to be late, buggy and not what the customer
wanted anyway.


MESSAGE TO MVP's:
WAKE UP!!! START DOING SOME REAL WORK or someone will make sure the world
knows how incompetent you MVP's are and if you think you will have a hard
time now flashing your MVP and Certification letters around, wait till they
know the real truth about you and will think twice about even mentioning you
have a certification or MVP status......and no talking in front of user
groups don't count as most those groups are also like you, unemployed, can't
get the job done right.

billmiami2
Sat Jun 04 06:16:59 CDT 2005

Please stop these inflammatory posts. What do you hope to gain by
doing this? Whether or not MVPs have jobs is their business only.
Why do you care? If someone gives me good advice at no cost, I'm
certainly not going to question his employment status or use that to
disqualify his good advice.

We are all here to help one another. Most of us here (MVP or not) take
personal time to help others and we should all be thankful for that.
If you're not happy with the participants or the quality of the help,
then please leave these newsgroups and don't come back until you learn
to treat others with respect.

Bill E.
Hollywood, FL

Kevin
Sat Jun 04 06:38:52 CDT 2005

Dude, you've got some serious issues. I suggest long-term therapy.

Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -
Phillip K. Dick

--
HTH,

Kevin Spencer
Microsoft MVP
.Net Developer
Ambiguity has a certain quality to it.

"lwti" <spamalot@msn.com> wrote in message
news:%23MTEbKPaFHA.228@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> You guys who hang around here are some of the sorriest and most
> incompetent
> programmers( if you can even be called that) ever!!!
>
> The only thing you know are reference books and theory that's been proven
> wrong in the real world
> You sit in front of your computer answering the SAME nickel and dime
> questions day after day, week after week, year after year so you can't
> possibly have any real experience in making an actual program and all you
> do
> is give BAD advice to those seeking it here.
>
> As far as I am concerned, Microsoft should end the MVP program as all that
> it fosters is wanna be programmers who only give bad advice and never DO
> as
> they ADVISE. You have essentially ZERO experience in coding .NET to begin
> with.
>
>
> DEAR MICROSOFT:
> Kill off the MVP program. It only fosters people who strive for publicity
> in
> trying to get a programming job as opposed to being actually able to do
> the
> job. The MVP's only make programmers and the software industry look bad
> as
> a whole as these people are supposed to be MOST VALUEABLE....when in they
> in
> fact are the MOST WORTHLESS programmers ever, especially when they
> actually
> do get a job they only sit around with theory, and all that nonsense of
> architecture and best practices only to not even deliver the project to
> begin with. Why not put all that theory and knowledge to the test and
> actually see if it really works? Ha ha ha..like you can even do that?
>
> All these people do is get silly certification and they STILL CANNOT GET A
> JOB!!! Much less actually do the job.....Imagine that!!! It's no wonder
> companies go off shore, as the quality of software sucks anyway, so why
> pay
> extra in the US when it's going to be late, buggy and not what the
> customer
> wanted anyway.
>
>
> MESSAGE TO MVP's:
> WAKE UP!!! START DOING SOME REAL WORK or someone will make sure the world
> knows how incompetent you MVP's are and if you think you will have a hard
> time now flashing your MVP and Certification letters around, wait till
> they
> know the real truth about you and will think twice about even mentioning
> you
> have a certification or MVP status......and no talking in front of user
> groups don't count as most those groups are also like you, unemployed,
> can't
> get the job done right.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Peter
Sat Jun 04 09:21:19 CDT 2005


"lwti" <spamalot@msn.com> wrote in message
news:%23MTEbKPaFHA.228@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> You guys who hang around here are some of the sorriest and most
> incompetent
> programmers( if you can even be called that) ever!!!
>
> The only thing you know are reference books and theory that's been proven
> wrong in the real world
> You sit in front of your computer answering the SAME nickel and dime
> questions day after day, week after week, year after year so you can't
> possibly have any real experience in making an actual program and all you
> do
> is give BAD advice to those seeking it here.
>
> As far as I am concerned, Microsoft should end the MVP program as all that
> it fosters is wanna be programmers who only give bad advice and never DO
> as
> they ADVISE. You have essentially ZERO experience in coding .NET to begin
> with.
>
>
> DEAR MICROSOFT:
> Kill off the MVP program. It only fosters people who strive for publicity
> in
> trying to get a programming job as opposed to being actually able to do
> the
> job. The MVP's only make programmers and the software industry look bad
> as
> a whole as these people are supposed to be MOST VALUEABLE....when in they
> in
> fact are the MOST WORTHLESS programmers ever, especially when they
> actually
> do get a job they only sit around with theory, and all that nonsense of
> architecture and best practices only to not even deliver the project to
> begin with. Why not put all that theory and knowledge to the test and
> actually see if it really works? Ha ha ha..like you can even do that?
>
> All these people do is get silly certification and they STILL CANNOT GET A
> JOB!!! Much less actually do the job.....Imagine that!!! It's no wonder
> companies go off shore, as the quality of software sucks anyway, so why
> pay
> extra in the US when it's going to be late, buggy and not what the
> customer
> wanted anyway.
>
>
> MESSAGE TO MVP's:
> WAKE UP!!! START DOING SOME REAL WORK or someone will make sure the world
> knows how incompetent you MVP's are and if you think you will have a hard
> time now flashing your MVP and Certification letters around, wait till
> they
> know the real truth about you and will think twice about even mentioning
> you
> have a certification or MVP status......and no talking in front of user
> groups don't count as most those groups are also like you, unemployed,
> can't
> get the job done right.
>
>
Thank you for your insightful analysis and helpful suggestions. I'm sure
they will be read with great interest by Microsoft management and given all
the attention they deserve.

Earl
Sat Jun 04 10:08:17 CDT 2005

Frankly, I've often received better and more comprehensive advice from the
MVPs than I've gotten from Microsoft on most occasions. Creating a solution
takes a lot more experience and knowledge than just "coding in .Net". I'm
not sure what your beef is with the MVPs, but I think we would all be a lot
poorer without their insight and advice.



"lwti" <spamalot@msn.com> wrote in message
news:%23MTEbKPaFHA.228@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> You guys who hang around here are some of the sorriest and most
> incompetent
> programmers( if you can even be called that) ever!!!
>
> The only thing you know are reference books and theory that's been proven
> wrong in the real world
> You sit in front of your computer answering the SAME nickel and dime
> questions day after day, week after week, year after year so you can't
> possibly have any real experience in making an actual program and all you
> do
> is give BAD advice to those seeking it here.
>
> As far as I am concerned, Microsoft should end the MVP program as all that
> it fosters is wanna be programmers who only give bad advice and never DO
> as
> they ADVISE. You have essentially ZERO experience in coding .NET to begin
> with.
>
>
> DEAR MICROSOFT:
> Kill off the MVP program. It only fosters people who strive for publicity
> in
> trying to get a programming job as opposed to being actually able to do
> the
> job. The MVP's only make programmers and the software industry look bad
> as
> a whole as these people are supposed to be MOST VALUEABLE....when in they
> in
> fact are the MOST WORTHLESS programmers ever, especially when they
> actually
> do get a job they only sit around with theory, and all that nonsense of
> architecture and best practices only to not even deliver the project to
> begin with. Why not put all that theory and knowledge to the test and
> actually see if it really works? Ha ha ha..like you can even do that?
>
> All these people do is get silly certification and they STILL CANNOT GET A
> JOB!!! Much less actually do the job.....Imagine that!!! It's no wonder
> companies go off shore, as the quality of software sucks anyway, so why
> pay
> extra in the US when it's going to be late, buggy and not what the
> customer
> wanted anyway.
>
>
> MESSAGE TO MVP's:
> WAKE UP!!! START DOING SOME REAL WORK or someone will make sure the world
> knows how incompetent you MVP's are and if you think you will have a hard
> time now flashing your MVP and Certification letters around, wait till
> they
> know the real truth about you and will think twice about even mentioning
> you
> have a certification or MVP status......and no talking in front of user
> groups don't count as most those groups are also like you, unemployed,
> can't
> get the job done right.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

james
Sat Jun 04 10:27:06 CDT 2005

Known Troll who keeps posting his nonsense all over under different names. In fact he is such a coward he
cannot even post under his own name. Truely sad and a waste of bandwidth.

james

"lwti" <spamalot@msn.com> wrote in message news:%23MTEbKPaFHA.228@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> You guys who hang around here are some of the sorriest and most incompetent
> programmers( if you can even be called that) ever!!!
>
> The only thing you know are reference books and theory that's been proven
> wrong in the real world
> You sit in front of your computer answering the SAME nickel and dime
> questions day after day, week after week, year after year so you can't
> possibly have any real experience in making an actual program and all you do
> is give BAD advice to those seeking it here.
>
> As far as I am concerned, Microsoft should end the MVP program as all that
> it fosters is wanna be programmers who only give bad advice and never DO as
> they ADVISE. You have essentially ZERO experience in coding .NET to begin
> with.
>
>
> DEAR MICROSOFT:
> Kill off the MVP program. It only fosters people who strive for publicity in
> trying to get a programming job as opposed to being actually able to do the
> job. The MVP's only make programmers and the software industry look bad as
> a whole as these people are supposed to be MOST VALUEABLE....when in they in
> fact are the MOST WORTHLESS programmers ever, especially when they actually
> do get a job they only sit around with theory, and all that nonsense of
> architecture and best practices only to not even deliver the project to
> begin with. Why not put all that theory and knowledge to the test and
> actually see if it really works? Ha ha ha..like you can even do that?
>
> All these people do is get silly certification and they STILL CANNOT GET A
> JOB!!! Much less actually do the job.....Imagine that!!! It's no wonder
> companies go off shore, as the quality of software sucks anyway, so why pay
> extra in the US when it's going to be late, buggy and not what the customer
> wanted anyway.
>
>
> MESSAGE TO MVP's:
> WAKE UP!!! START DOING SOME REAL WORK or someone will make sure the world
> knows how incompetent you MVP's are and if you think you will have a hard
> time now flashing your MVP and Certification letters around, wait till they
> know the real truth about you and will think twice about even mentioning you
> have a certification or MVP status......and no talking in front of user
> groups don't count as most those groups are also like you, unemployed, can't
> get the job done right.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

David
Sat Jun 04 10:29:58 CDT 2005

I think you MVPs are the best, and I thank you for all of the help you've
give me (and everyone esle) over the years.
-David

"lwti" <spamalot@msn.com> wrote in message
news:%23MTEbKPaFHA.228@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> You guys who hang around here are some of the sorriest and most
> incompetent
> programmers( if you can even be called that) ever!!!
>
> The only thing you know are reference books and theory that's been proven
> wrong in the real world
> You sit in front of your computer answering the SAME nickel and dime
> questions day after day, week after week, year after year so you can't
> possibly have any real experience in making an actual program and all you
> do
> is give BAD advice to those seeking it here.
>
> As far as I am concerned, Microsoft should end the MVP program as all that
> it fosters is wanna be programmers who only give bad advice and never DO
> as
> they ADVISE. You have essentially ZERO experience in coding .NET to begin
> with.
>
>
> DEAR MICROSOFT:
> Kill off the MVP program. It only fosters people who strive for publicity
> in
> trying to get a programming job as opposed to being actually able to do
> the
> job. The MVP's only make programmers and the software industry look bad
> as
> a whole as these people are supposed to be MOST VALUEABLE....when in they
> in
> fact are the MOST WORTHLESS programmers ever, especially when they
> actually
> do get a job they only sit around with theory, and all that nonsense of
> architecture and best practices only to not even deliver the project to
> begin with. Why not put all that theory and knowledge to the test and
> actually see if it really works? Ha ha ha..like you can even do that?
>
> All these people do is get silly certification and they STILL CANNOT GET A
> JOB!!! Much less actually do the job.....Imagine that!!! It's no wonder
> companies go off shore, as the quality of software sucks anyway, so why
> pay
> extra in the US when it's going to be late, buggy and not what the
> customer
> wanted anyway.
>
>
> MESSAGE TO MVP's:
> WAKE UP!!! START DOING SOME REAL WORK or someone will make sure the world
> knows how incompetent you MVP's are and if you think you will have a hard
> time now flashing your MVP and Certification letters around, wait till
> they
> know the real truth about you and will think twice about even mentioning
> you
> have a certification or MVP status......and no talking in front of user
> groups don't count as most those groups are also like you, unemployed,
> can't
> get the job done right.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Joerg
Sat Jun 04 10:38:10 CDT 2005

lwti wrote:

[...]

Feel free to post your CV.

Or is it String.Empty?
--
http://www.joergjooss.de
mailto:news-reply@joergjooss.de

Jeffrey
Sat Jun 04 10:48:03 CDT 2005

I am personally grateful to a number of MVPs on this site - Ken Cox, Kevin
Spencer, Brock Allen, Curt Christenson, Karl Sequin, Steve C. Orr, Scott
Mitchell, and Bruce Barker. Without their advice, perspective, sample code,
and referenced articles or blogs I simply wouldn't have been able to succeed
as well or as quickly as I have in learning ASP.NET. When my customers or
programming peers see what I have created with ASP.NET and tell me how great
they think it is, I'm always very quick to mention that there is *no way* I
could have done it without the help of the MVPs in this NG.

Thank You MVPs!

-Jeff



"lwti" <spamalot@msn.com> wrote in message
news:%23MTEbKPaFHA.228@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> You guys who hang around here are some of the sorriest and most
> incompetent
> programmers( if you can even be called that) ever!!!
>
> The only thing you know are reference books and theory that's been proven
> wrong in the real world
> You sit in front of your computer answering the SAME nickel and dime
> questions day after day, week after week, year after year so you can't
> possibly have any real experience in making an actual program and all you
> do
> is give BAD advice to those seeking it here.
>
> As far as I am concerned, Microsoft should end the MVP program as all that
> it fosters is wanna be programmers who only give bad advice and never DO
> as
> they ADVISE. You have essentially ZERO experience in coding .NET to begin
> with.
>
>
> DEAR MICROSOFT:
> Kill off the MVP program. It only fosters people who strive for publicity
> in
> trying to get a programming job as opposed to being actually able to do
> the
> job. The MVP's only make programmers and the software industry look bad
> as
> a whole as these people are supposed to be MOST VALUEABLE....when in they
> in
> fact are the MOST WORTHLESS programmers ever, especially when they
> actually
> do get a job they only sit around with theory, and all that nonsense of
> architecture and best practices only to not even deliver the project to
> begin with. Why not put all that theory and knowledge to the test and
> actually see if it really works? Ha ha ha..like you can even do that?
>
> All these people do is get silly certification and they STILL CANNOT GET A
> JOB!!! Much less actually do the job.....Imagine that!!! It's no wonder
> companies go off shore, as the quality of software sucks anyway, so why
> pay
> extra in the US when it's going to be late, buggy and not what the
> customer
> wanted anyway.
>
>
> MESSAGE TO MVP's:
> WAKE UP!!! START DOING SOME REAL WORK or someone will make sure the world
> knows how incompetent you MVP's are and if you think you will have a hard
> time now flashing your MVP and Certification letters around, wait till
> they
> know the real truth about you and will think twice about even mentioning
> you
> have a certification or MVP status......and no talking in front of user
> groups don't count as most those groups are also like you, unemployed,
> can't
> get the job done right.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

lwti
Sat Jun 04 11:08:18 CDT 2005

This guy HAS a J.O.B. because M.V.P.'s are TOO STUPID to know that other
beginning programmers make money off of their nickel and dime questions/
answers. However, past the beginning part this is where, if he keeps taking
MVP's advice he will fail just like MVP's fail as they don't have JOB's
either



"Jeffrey Todd" <Me@Somewhere.net> wrote in message
news:O1jXIzRaFHA.2496@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
> I am personally grateful to a number of MVPs on this site - Ken Cox, Kevin
> Spencer, Brock Allen, Curt Christenson, Karl Sequin, Steve C. Orr, Scott
> Mitchell, and Bruce Barker. Without their advice, perspective, sample
code,
> and referenced articles or blogs I simply wouldn't have been able to
succeed
> as well or as quickly as I have in learning ASP.NET. When my customers or
> programming peers see what I have created with ASP.NET and tell me how
great
> they think it is, I'm always very quick to mention that there is *no way*
I
> could have done it without the help of the MVPs in this NG.
>
> Thank You MVPs!
>
> -Jeff
>
>
>
> "lwti" <spamalot@msn.com> wrote in message
> news:%23MTEbKPaFHA.228@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> > You guys who hang around here are some of the sorriest and most
> > incompetent
> > programmers( if you can even be called that) ever!!!
> >
> > The only thing you know are reference books and theory that's been
proven
> > wrong in the real world
> > You sit in front of your computer answering the SAME nickel and dime
> > questions day after day, week after week, year after year so you can't
> > possibly have any real experience in making an actual program and all
you
> > do
> > is give BAD advice to those seeking it here.
> >
> > As far as I am concerned, Microsoft should end the MVP program as all
that
> > it fosters is wanna be programmers who only give bad advice and never DO
> > as
> > they ADVISE. You have essentially ZERO experience in coding .NET to
begin
> > with.
> >
> >
> > DEAR MICROSOFT:
> > Kill off the MVP program. It only fosters people who strive for
publicity
> > in
> > trying to get a programming job as opposed to being actually able to do
> > the
> > job. The MVP's only make programmers and the software industry look bad
> > as
> > a whole as these people are supposed to be MOST VALUEABLE....when in
they
> > in
> > fact are the MOST WORTHLESS programmers ever, especially when they
> > actually
> > do get a job they only sit around with theory, and all that nonsense of
> > architecture and best practices only to not even deliver the project to
> > begin with. Why not put all that theory and knowledge to the test and
> > actually see if it really works? Ha ha ha..like you can even do that?
> >
> > All these people do is get silly certification and they STILL CANNOT GET
A
> > JOB!!! Much less actually do the job.....Imagine that!!! It's no
wonder
> > companies go off shore, as the quality of software sucks anyway, so why
> > pay
> > extra in the US when it's going to be late, buggy and not what the
> > customer
> > wanted anyway.
> >
> >
> > MESSAGE TO MVP's:
> > WAKE UP!!! START DOING SOME REAL WORK or someone will make sure the
world
> > knows how incompetent you MVP's are and if you think you will have a
hard
> > time now flashing your MVP and Certification letters around, wait till
> > they
> > know the real truth about you and will think twice about even mentioning
> > you
> > have a certification or MVP status......and no talking in front of user
> > groups don't count as most those groups are also like you, unemployed,
> > can't
> > get the job done right.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>

lwti
Sat Jun 04 11:12:52 CDT 2005

are MVP's trolls? they WANT, NEED ATTENTION to get the J.O.B. that they
can't KEEP or GET. THUS, THEY KEEP POSTING, POSTING, POSTING AWAY...

M.V.P = GIVE-ME-A-JOB-as-I-THINK-IKNOW-A-LOT-BUT-ACTUALLY-CAN'T DO IT-TROLL




"james" <jjames700ReMoVeMe at earthlink dot net> wrote in message
news:e172bnRaFHA.616@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> Known Troll who keeps posting his nonsense all over under different names.
In fact he is such a coward he
> cannot even post under his own name. Truely sad and a waste of bandwidth.
>
> james
>
> "lwti" <spamalot@msn.com> wrote in message
news:%23MTEbKPaFHA.228@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> > You guys who hang around here are some of the sorriest and most
incompetent
> > programmers( if you can even be called that) ever!!!
> >
> > The only thing you know are reference books and theory that's been
proven
> > wrong in the real world
> > You sit in front of your computer answering the SAME nickel and dime
> > questions day after day, week after week, year after year so you can't
> > possibly have any real experience in making an actual program and all
you do
> > is give BAD advice to those seeking it here.
> >
> > As far as I am concerned, Microsoft should end the MVP program as all
that
> > it fosters is wanna be programmers who only give bad advice and never DO
as
> > they ADVISE. You have essentially ZERO experience in coding .NET to
begin
> > with.
> >
> >
> > DEAR MICROSOFT:
> > Kill off the MVP program. It only fosters people who strive for
publicity in
> > trying to get a programming job as opposed to being actually able to do
the
> > job. The MVP's only make programmers and the software industry look bad
as
> > a whole as these people are supposed to be MOST VALUEABLE....when in
they in
> > fact are the MOST WORTHLESS programmers ever, especially when they
actually
> > do get a job they only sit around with theory, and all that nonsense of
> > architecture and best practices only to not even deliver the project to
> > begin with. Why not put all that theory and knowledge to the test and
> > actually see if it really works? Ha ha ha..like you can even do that?
> >
> > All these people do is get silly certification and they STILL CANNOT GET
A
> > JOB!!! Much less actually do the job.....Imagine that!!! It's no
wonder
> > companies go off shore, as the quality of software sucks anyway, so why
pay
> > extra in the US when it's going to be late, buggy and not what the
customer
> > wanted anyway.
> >
> >
> > MESSAGE TO MVP's:
> > WAKE UP!!! START DOING SOME REAL WORK or someone will make sure the
world
> > knows how incompetent you MVP's are and if you think you will have a
hard
> > time now flashing your MVP and Certification letters around, wait till
they
> > know the real truth about you and will think twice about even mentioning
you
> > have a certification or MVP status......and no talking in front of user
> > groups don't count as most those groups are also like you, unemployed,
can't
> > get the job done right.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>

eXtreme
Sat Jun 04 11:18:05 CDT 2005

It sounds like you want to validate that MVP's worth with your commentary.
Let others do what they will and either be part of it or do your own thing.

If you've been looked over as an MVP keep helping... it's not the title that
counts but how you feel about yourself in the morning. :-)

Regards,



"lwti" <spamalot@msn.com> wrote in message
news:%23MTEbKPaFHA.228@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> You guys who hang around here are some of the sorriest and most
> incompetent
> programmers( if you can even be called that) ever!!!
>
> The only thing you know are reference books and theory that's been proven
> wrong in the real world
> You sit in front of your computer answering the SAME nickel and dime
> questions day after day, week after week, year after year so you can't
> possibly have any real experience in making an actual program and all you
> do
> is give BAD advice to those seeking it here.
>
> As far as I am concerned, Microsoft should end the MVP program as all that
> it fosters is wanna be programmers who only give bad advice and never DO
> as
> they ADVISE. You have essentially ZERO experience in coding .NET to begin
> with.
>
>
> DEAR MICROSOFT:
> Kill off the MVP program. It only fosters people who strive for publicity
> in
> trying to get a programming job as opposed to being actually able to do
> the
> job. The MVP's only make programmers and the software industry look bad
> as
> a whole as these people are supposed to be MOST VALUEABLE....when in they
> in
> fact are the MOST WORTHLESS programmers ever, especially when they
> actually
> do get a job they only sit around with theory, and all that nonsense of
> architecture and best practices only to not even deliver the project to
> begin with. Why not put all that theory and knowledge to the test and
> actually see if it really works? Ha ha ha..like you can even do that?
>
> All these people do is get silly certification and they STILL CANNOT GET A
> JOB!!! Much less actually do the job.....Imagine that!!! It's no wonder
> companies go off shore, as the quality of software sucks anyway, so why
> pay
> extra in the US when it's going to be late, buggy and not what the
> customer
> wanted anyway.
>
>
> MESSAGE TO MVP's:
> WAKE UP!!! START DOING SOME REAL WORK or someone will make sure the world
> knows how incompetent you MVP's are and if you think you will have a hard
> time now flashing your MVP and Certification letters around, wait till
> they
> know the real truth about you and will think twice about even mentioning
> you
> have a certification or MVP status......and no talking in front of user
> groups don't count as most those groups are also like you, unemployed,
> can't
> get the job done right.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

lwti
Sat Jun 04 11:22:09 CDT 2005

Buy a book, it does the same thing and it will get you started.

After getting the basics down, don't bother to listen to them as these
people/authors have never gotten past the sample program and written a real
program where it actually counts in the real world.

Authors are little better than MVP's in that the actually have to write a
little sample code of which is what you need. But after that, then it's all
*you* as authors only write books to get noticed to get their next
consulting gig, they do not make money off their books if you didn't know
that.


Do NOT think that these MVP's and authors are some super programmers as they
are NOT to say the least. All they know is trivia, reference, how to answer
a worded question with a nice answer in public. When it actually comes down
to putting out a program and coding something in the real world, don't even
ask them, don't even listen to their best practices as they don't really
practice what they preach, nor do they even have time to practice what they
preach as they are posting all day long.


"Jeffrey Todd" <Me@Somewhere.net> wrote in message
news:O1jXIzRaFHA.2496@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
> I am personally grateful to a number of MVPs on this site - Ken Cox, Kevin
> Spencer, Brock Allen, Curt Christenson, Karl Sequin, Steve C. Orr, Scott
> Mitchell, and Bruce Barker. Without their advice, perspective, sample
code,
> and referenced articles or blogs I simply wouldn't have been able to
succeed
> as well or as quickly as I have in learning ASP.NET. When my customers or
> programming peers see what I have created with ASP.NET and tell me how
great
> they think it is, I'm always very quick to mention that there is *no way*
I
> could have done it without the help of the MVPs in this NG.
>
> Thank You MVPs!
>
> -Jeff
>
>
>
> "lwti" <spamalot@msn.com> wrote in message
> news:%23MTEbKPaFHA.228@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> > You guys who hang around here are some of the sorriest and most
> > incompetent
> > programmers( if you can even be called that) ever!!!
> >
> > The only thing you know are reference books and theory that's been
proven
> > wrong in the real world
> > You sit in front of your computer answering the SAME nickel and dime
> > questions day after day, week after week, year after year so you can't
> > possibly have any real experience in making an actual program and all
you
> > do
> > is give BAD advice to those seeking it here.
> >
> > As far as I am concerned, Microsoft should end the MVP program as all
that
> > it fosters is wanna be programmers who only give bad advice and never DO
> > as
> > they ADVISE. You have essentially ZERO experience in coding .NET to
begin
> > with.
> >
> >
> > DEAR MICROSOFT:
> > Kill off the MVP program. It only fosters people who strive for
publicity
> > in
> > trying to get a programming job as opposed to being actually able to do
> > the
> > job. The MVP's only make programmers and the software industry look bad
> > as
> > a whole as these people are supposed to be MOST VALUEABLE....when in
they
> > in
> > fact are the MOST WORTHLESS programmers ever, especially when they
> > actually
> > do get a job they only sit around with theory, and all that nonsense of
> > architecture and best practices only to not even deliver the project to
> > begin with. Why not put all that theory and knowledge to the test and
> > actually see if it really works? Ha ha ha..like you can even do that?
> >
> > All these people do is get silly certification and they STILL CANNOT GET
A
> > JOB!!! Much less actually do the job.....Imagine that!!! It's no
wonder
> > companies go off shore, as the quality of software sucks anyway, so why
> > pay
> > extra in the US when it's going to be late, buggy and not what the
> > customer
> > wanted anyway.
> >
> >
> > MESSAGE TO MVP's:
> > WAKE UP!!! START DOING SOME REAL WORK or someone will make sure the
world
> > knows how incompetent you MVP's are and if you think you will have a
hard
> > time now flashing your MVP and Certification letters around, wait till
> > they
> > know the real truth about you and will think twice about even mentioning
> > you
> > have a certification or MVP status......and no talking in front of user
> > groups don't count as most those groups are also like you, unemployed,
> > can't
> > get the job done right.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>

Nick
Sat Jun 04 11:27:38 CDT 2005

What a nice person!

All the MVPs that I am familiar with are paid very well for their expertise
in other positions. Many still work as individual contributors, while
others are development leads, architects, and consultants who share their
expertise directly with individual developers. That they share a small
portion of their significant experience with the rest of us, on this forum,
in blogs and in talks for user groups, most often without pay, is a form of
generosity of spirit that is both invaluable and fundamental to our
community.

I cannot praise the MVPs enough for their contribution to the Microsoft
programming community. I know that my sentiments are not alone within
Microsoft.

You have changed no minds today, troll.

--
--- Nick Malik [Microsoft]
MCSD, CFPS, Certified Scrummaster
http://blogs.msdn.com/nickmalik

Disclaimer: Opinions expressed in this forum are my own, and not
representative of my employer.
I do not answer questions on behalf of my employer. I'm just a
programmer helping programmers.
--

lwti
Sat Jun 04 11:30:39 CDT 2005

They may have got you started, but they will also get you FIRED, just like
they were and are without a J.O.B.

If these MVP's are SOOOO GOOD, how can they be here day after day, week
after week, year after year, YET have nothing, zippo written for themselves
to show for it. Look at their websites, blogs at best! whew lots of coding
their. No it's posting, i.e. J.O.B. trolling cause they can't keep the
J.O.B. they had.

How come these people, WHO ARE SO WELL KNOWN can't get a J.O.B. but those
guys who created FIREFOX can get a J.O.B. just like that and are ACTUALLY
TOO BUSY to be on their BLOGS all day LONG as they have REAL WORK TO DO?

It's cause those FIREFOX guys actually created something that people use,
unlike MVP's who YEAR AFTER YEAR can't write a real program that people want
and actually use but spend day in and day out here posting away.







"Earl" <brikshoe@newsgroups.nospam> wrote in message
news:uXIM7cRaFHA.3488@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> Frankly, I've often received better and more comprehensive advice from the
> MVPs than I've gotten from Microsoft on most occasions. Creating a
solution
> takes a lot more experience and knowledge than just "coding in .Net". I'm
> not sure what your beef is with the MVPs, but I think we would all be a
lot
> poorer without their insight and advice.
>
>
>
> "lwti" <spamalot@msn.com> wrote in message
> news:%23MTEbKPaFHA.228@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> > You guys who hang around here are some of the sorriest and most
> > incompetent
> > programmers( if you can even be called that) ever!!!
> >
> > The only thing you know are reference books and theory that's been
proven
> > wrong in the real world
> > You sit in front of your computer answering the SAME nickel and dime
> > questions day after day, week after week, year after year so you can't
> > possibly have any real experience in making an actual program and all
you
> > do
> > is give BAD advice to those seeking it here.
> >
> > As far as I am concerned, Microsoft should end the MVP program as all
that
> > it fosters is wanna be programmers who only give bad advice and never DO
> > as
> > they ADVISE. You have essentially ZERO experience in coding .NET to
begin
> > with.
> >
> >
> > DEAR MICROSOFT:
> > Kill off the MVP program. It only fosters people who strive for
publicity
> > in
> > trying to get a programming job as opposed to being actually able to do
> > the
> > job. The MVP's only make programmers and the software industry look bad
> > as
> > a whole as these people are supposed to be MOST VALUEABLE....when in
they
> > in
> > fact are the MOST WORTHLESS programmers ever, especially when they
> > actually
> > do get a job they only sit around with theory, and all that nonsense of
> > architecture and best practices only to not even deliver the project to
> > begin with. Why not put all that theory and knowledge to the test and
> > actually see if it really works? Ha ha ha..like you can even do that?
> >
> > All these people do is get silly certification and they STILL CANNOT GET
A
> > JOB!!! Much less actually do the job.....Imagine that!!! It's no
wonder
> > companies go off shore, as the quality of software sucks anyway, so why
> > pay
> > extra in the US when it's going to be late, buggy and not what the
> > customer
> > wanted anyway.
> >
> >
> > MESSAGE TO MVP's:
> > WAKE UP!!! START DOING SOME REAL WORK or someone will make sure the
world
> > knows how incompetent you MVP's are and if you think you will have a
hard
> > time now flashing your MVP and Certification letters around, wait till
> > they
> > know the real truth about you and will think twice about even mentioning
> > you
> > have a certification or MVP status......and no talking in front of user
> > groups don't count as most those groups are also like you, unemployed,
> > can't
> > get the job done right.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>

lwti
Sat Jun 04 11:37:37 CDT 2005

Dear Bill,

You want to know I am posting, here's one reason why.

If you want to KEEP your JOB, you should then STOP listening or even asking
these MVP's as they can't even KEEP their own JOB.with their so-called
advice. That's why. It's called practicing what your preaching and all
these MVP's are more preaching than practicing.

That's why you should ASK if these guys have J.O.B.'s as the advice your
getting is NOT EVEN GOOD ENOUGH for these MVP's to keep their own JOB's.

That's why you should ask so you actually know if the advice you get
ACTUALLY works in the REAL WORLD.


<billmiami2@netscape.net> wrote in message
news:1117883819.703568.204390@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> Please stop these inflammatory posts. What do you hope to gain by
> doing this? Whether or not MVPs have jobs is their business only.
> Why do you care? If someone gives me good advice at no cost, I'm
> certainly not going to question his employment status or use that to
> disqualify his good advice.
>
> We are all here to h