Kieran
Mon Sep 15 04:49:34 CDT 2003
Ok you really are a scary/slightly unstable guy who likes shouting arent
you? :)
"nospam" <n@ntspam.com> wrote in message
news:ue6t4IzeDHA.576@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> If MSDE was SO USABLE in a PRODUCTION ENVIRONMENT, why do a majority of
> startups use PHP and MySQL?
>
> IT'S because of the LICENSING AGREEMENT and a few other things........
>
> MSDE is not seen as financial equivalent with the web version of Windows
> 2003 server.....
>
> No one goes into a startup without DREAMS and knowing there is a long
> haul.....hence, entrepreneurs look at the cost of a REAL license of SQL
> Server, whether today or a year from now......
>
> They want to own something and NOT be tied down financially to a several
> thousand dollar SQL server license when they can get PHP and MySql for
free
> and that WILL LAST THEM...and IT WILL MAKE IT REALLY HARD TO SWITCH......
>
>
> WHY DO YOU THINK THERE IS A Windows 2000 Server - Web Edition?
>
>
> WHY WHY WHY? is it just to put up static HTML pages? NO YOU IDIOT!!!!
> Anyone who wanted to do that should just host it for 4 bucks a month if
it's
> just static HTML....
>
> OF COURSE THEY WANT A DATABASE so they can DO NEAT WEB STUFF WITH THEIR
> Windows 2000 Server - Web Edition
> that they paid for.
>
> Why would I even need .NET or a developer then if all I wanted to do is
> serve up static HTML page?
>
>
> It's no wonder why developers are out of work, they have NO concept of
what
> it takes to start a real or traditional business.
>
>
>
> "William Ryan" <dotnetguru@nospam.comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:%23yG27tyeDHA.2344@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> > Steve:
> >
> > Not sure I understand....I must have miscommunicated. I didn't dump on
> > anyone other than him. I was Defending MSDE. I think you have us
> confused,
> > but your reference is to my post. Please though, I think you're missing
> the
> > issue, and that was a flat out assualt by him on anyone who doesn't
think
> MS
> > is Evil and that SQL Server sux compared to MySql. I totally appreciate
> > your restraint, but my friend, I assure you, I insulted no one other
than
> > him, and If I did by accident, I apologize. I recommend and
> professionally
> > deploy MSDE and make a decent living doing it....I wasn't dumping on
> anyone
> > who did...and if it came off that way, I assure you it was a mistake.
> Sorry
> > for any misunderstanding....but I honestly wasn't dumping on you or
anyone
> > other than people that think MySQL is the only way to go and everyone
else
> > is stupid. And I like MySQL, I just dont' think it's the answer to
> > everything.
> >
> >
> > Bill
> > "steve" <asd@abc.com> wrote in message
> > news:vma580d49ohv86@corp.supernews.com...
> > > i can't find his other post...i'm trying to give you the benefit of
the
> > > doubt and actually try to gain another perspective about msde...before
> > > ripping you a new one! there's nothing wrong w/ msde and i don't
> consider
> > > myself to be in the intellectual category you ascribe to those who
> > recommend
> > > it as a fantastic alternative to a full-blown version of sql server.
the
> > > only down-side i've encountered is not having help file support or a
> tool
> > > like the enterprise manager for sql server. i've downloaded source
code
> > for
> > > an msde enterprise manager found on plant-source code (of all unlikely
> > > places for good source code). it has all the features i've ever needed
> to
> > > use w/ sql server, just a different ui. so all i'm really missing is
> > > built-in help. if your problem is being limited to 10
> > connections...nothing
> > > that mts can't overcome...people have been writing software for years
> that
> > > enables shared connections. there's really no issue there either if
you
> > keep
> > > this in the context of mom/pop size companies. why don't you just fill
> us
> > in
> > > with some valid issues that make your statement a little less
offensive
> to
> > > the rest of us.
> > >
> > > what's the deal w/ recommending msde...more importantly, what's your
> > problem
> > > that makes you dump on people like me who do? i don't think i deserve
> the
> > > condemnation.
> > >
> > > steve
> > >
> > > "William Ryan" <dotnetguru@nospam.comcast.net> wrote in message
> > > news:%23LZo1LyeDHA.892@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> > > > That was his point, that anyone that recommends MSDE is a dumb@ss
> > <that's
> > > > not what I'm saying to you, but read his other post and you'll see
> what
> > I
> > > > mean>
> > > > "Jon Davis" <jon@REMOVE.ME.PLEASE.jondavis.net> wrote in message
> > > > news:elSuopxeDHA.3616@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
> > > > > No, no need for MSSQL. Use MSDE, it's free.
> > > > >
> > > > > Jon
> > > > >
> > > > > "nospam" <n@ntspam.com> wrote in message
> > > > > news:%23WEOmSweDHA.556@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
> > > > > > SQL Server is easy to use....
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Yet, "Easy-to-Use" is NOT IMPORTANT if it's not "Easy to
> > AFFORD".....
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Moreover, those who need it to be easy to use (those who don't
> have
> > a
> > > > > > Fortune 500 IT staff)...need it to be easy to AFFORD.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ***THE CATCH 22 ***
> > > > > > What good is a Free .NET Framework and a low cost Windows 2003
> > > > Server-Web
> > > > > > Edition, if SQL Server costs more than the server and ISP
network
> > > > > connection
> > > > > > and amount to at sometimes at least 50% of the total costs when
> > > > developers
> > > > > > have had to drop their hourly rate in half?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ANSWER: change your SQL Server licensing policies to be more
> > friendly
> > > to
> > > > > mom
> > > > > > and pops instead having them run to PHP and MySql because they
are
> > not
> > > > > going
> > > > > > to MS Access after they have had PHP running nice and fine and
> then
> > do
> > > a
> > > > > > port to sql server. Because they, MOM and POP and startup
company
> > are
> > > > > going
> > > > > > to be HAPPY with MySql and PHP and are NOT going to pay GOBS of
> > money
> > > to
> > > > > do
> > > > > > an entire PORT when (by the time they really NEED a faster
system)
> > > they
> > > > > > could just buy a faster computer.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > PERIOD.....
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Dear Microsoft and the Marketing department,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > There can only be 500 companies in the Fortune 500....
> > > > > >
> > > > > > That's why MySql and PHP are so hot right now......
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Do not think that the developer and entreprenuer don't have to
sit
> > > down
> > > > > and
> > > > > > total up the costs? And then see what the cost are for SQL
Server
> > and
> > > > see
> > > > > > how they can double the total costs.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Don't have the CEO look at the licensing cost on the Microsoft
SQL
> > > > Serve