Hi all,

I have a table with multiple row and 5 columns.

On a few rows, i woul like to be able to put more columns.
I have merge the cells on that row and then split the cells to 8.

My problem is that when i try to fix the beginning and end of the row
by moving hte borders, i cannot place them where i want.
Looks like they are related to the positon of the row above.

I there a way to place them freely like shift-click or something else

regards,

pierre

Re: tables by Kevin

Kevin
Wed Jul 20 13:43:20 CDT 2005

Hi Pierre,

The problem is that a table has a fixed number of columns, and that when you
merge cells, you are, in essence, merging columns in a row. So, when you
split the merged columns, you are, in essence, adding extra columns to the
whole table, and merging the ones that were not previously merged. the
column widths in each resulting column, merged or not, are fixed to either a
column or more than one column's width.

What you probably need to do is to merge the columns that you originally
merged, leaving a "hole," and then put an entire table into the whole. The
nested table can then have as many columns as you wish, and they will not
correspond to any columns in the parent table.

--
HTH,

Kevin Spencer
Microsoft MVP
.Net Developer
The sun never sets on
the Kingdom of Heaven

"Pierre" <pf@arobas.net> wrote in message
news:%2387x$eVjFHA.2916@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
> Hi all,
>
> I have a table with multiple row and 5 columns.
>
> On a few rows, i woul like to be able to put more columns.
> I have merge the cells on that row and then split the cells to 8.
>
> My problem is that when i try to fix the beginning and end of the row
> by moving hte borders, i cannot place them where i want.
> Looks like they are related to the positon of the row above.
>
> I there a way to place them freely like shift-click or something else
>
> regards,
>
> pierre
>
>



Re: tables by Pierre

Pierre
Wed Jul 20 13:45:42 CDT 2005

good advice, thanks

Kevin Spencer a écrit dans le message
<#vQ0nrVjFHA.3144@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl>...
>Hi Pierre,
>
>The problem is that a table has a fixed number of columns, and that when
you
>merge cells, you are, in essence, merging columns in a row. So, when you
>split the merged columns, you are, in essence, adding extra columns to the
>whole table, and merging the ones that were not previously merged. the
>column widths in each resulting column, merged or not, are fixed to either
a
>column or more than one column's width.
>
>What you probably need to do is to merge the columns that you originally
>merged, leaving a "hole," and then put an entire table into the whole. The
>nested table can then have as many columns as you wish, and they will not
>correspond to any columns in the parent table.
>
>--
>HTH,
>
>Kevin Spencer
>Microsoft MVP
>.Net Developer
>The sun never sets on
>the Kingdom of Heaven
>
>"Pierre" <pf@arobas.net> wrote in message
>news:%2387x$eVjFHA.2916@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I have a table with multiple row and 5 columns.
>>
>> On a few rows, i woul like to be able to put more columns.
>> I have merge the cells on that row and then split the cells to 8.
>>
>> My problem is that when i try to fix the beginning and end of the row
>> by moving hte borders, i cannot place them where i want.
>> Looks like they are related to the positon of the row above.
>>
>> I there a way to place them freely like shift-click or something else
>>
>> regards,
>>
>> pierre
>>
>>
>
>



Re: tables by Murray

Murray
Wed Jul 20 14:06:03 CDT 2005

Here's even better advice.

Stack separate tables.

Table1 with one column/row configuration
Table2 with a new column/row configuration
Table3 with the original column/row configuration

This is a better solution since none of the cells will have a row- or
colspan applied, and since you will not have nested tables (although the
ones Kevin recommends are gentle ones). Nested tables can get pretty
complex pretty fast and can slow your browser rendering WAY down.

Separate stacked tables do not have this problem and are quite simple to
maintain.

--
Murray
============

"Pierre" <pf@arobas.net> wrote in message
news:u86QruVjFHA.2904@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> good advice, thanks
>
> Kevin Spencer a écrit dans le message
> <#vQ0nrVjFHA.3144@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl>...
>>Hi Pierre,
>>
>>The problem is that a table has a fixed number of columns, and that when
> you
>>merge cells, you are, in essence, merging columns in a row. So, when you
>>split the merged columns, you are, in essence, adding extra columns to the
>>whole table, and merging the ones that were not previously merged. the
>>column widths in each resulting column, merged or not, are fixed to either
> a
>>column or more than one column's width.
>>
>>What you probably need to do is to merge the columns that you originally
>>merged, leaving a "hole," and then put an entire table into the whole. The
>>nested table can then have as many columns as you wish, and they will not
>>correspond to any columns in the parent table.
>>
>>--
>>HTH,
>>
>>Kevin Spencer
>>Microsoft MVP
>>.Net Developer
>>The sun never sets on
>>the Kingdom of Heaven
>>
>>"Pierre" <pf@arobas.net> wrote in message
>>news:%2387x$eVjFHA.2916@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I have a table with multiple row and 5 columns.
>>>
>>> On a few rows, i woul like to be able to put more columns.
>>> I have merge the cells on that row and then split the cells to 8.
>>>
>>> My problem is that when i try to fix the beginning and end of the row
>>> by moving hte borders, i cannot place them where i want.
>>> Looks like they are related to the positon of the row above.
>>>
>>> I there a way to place them freely like shift-click or something else
>>>
>>> regards,
>>>
>>> pierre
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>



Re: tables by Tom

Tom
Wed Jul 20 17:30:45 CDT 2005

Murray:

I'm not familiar with the term "stack separate tables". Could you please
expound?

Thanks,
--
===
Tom "Pepper" Willett
Microsoft MVP - FrontPage
---
About FrontPage 2003:
http://office.microsoft.com/home/office.aspx?assetid=FX01085802
===
"Murray" <forums@HAHAgreat-web-sights.com> wrote in message
news:eTH9T4VjFHA.3256@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
| Here's even better advice.
|
| Stack separate tables.
|
| Table1 with one column/row configuration
| Table2 with a new column/row configuration
| Table3 with the original column/row configuration
|
| This is a better solution since none of the cells will have a row- or
| colspan applied, and since you will not have nested tables (although the
| ones Kevin recommends are gentle ones). Nested tables can get pretty
| complex pretty fast and can slow your browser rendering WAY down.
|
| Separate stacked tables do not have this problem and are quite simple to
| maintain.
|
| --
| Murray
| ============
|
| "Pierre" <pf@arobas.net> wrote in message
| news:u86QruVjFHA.2904@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
| > good advice, thanks
| >
| > Kevin Spencer a écrit dans le message
| > <#vQ0nrVjFHA.3144@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl>...
| >>Hi Pierre,
| >>
| >>The problem is that a table has a fixed number of columns, and that when
| > you
| >>merge cells, you are, in essence, merging columns in a row. So, when you
| >>split the merged columns, you are, in essence, adding extra columns to
the
| >>whole table, and merging the ones that were not previously merged. the
| >>column widths in each resulting column, merged or not, are fixed to
either
| > a
| >>column or more than one column's width.
| >>
| >>What you probably need to do is to merge the columns that you originally
| >>merged, leaving a "hole," and then put an entire table into the whole.
The
| >>nested table can then have as many columns as you wish, and they will
not
| >>correspond to any columns in the parent table.
| >>
| >>--
| >>HTH,
| >>
| >>Kevin Spencer
| >>Microsoft MVP
| >>.Net Developer
| >>The sun never sets on
| >>the Kingdom of Heaven
| >>
| >>"Pierre" <pf@arobas.net> wrote in message
| >>news:%2387x$eVjFHA.2916@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
| >>> Hi all,
| >>>
| >>> I have a table with multiple row and 5 columns.
| >>>
| >>> On a few rows, i woul like to be able to put more columns.
| >>> I have merge the cells on that row and then split the cells to 8.
| >>>
| >>> My problem is that when i try to fix the beginning and end of the row
| >>> by moving hte borders, i cannot place them where i want.
| >>> Looks like they are related to the positon of the row above.
| >>>
| >>> I there a way to place them freely like shift-click or something else
| >>>
| >>> regards,
| >>>
| >>> pierre
| >>>
| >>>
| >>
| >>
| >
| >
|
|



Re: tables by Murray

Murray
Wed Jul 20 20:54:05 CDT 2005

<table></table>
<table></table>
<table></table>

A stack of three separate tables....

--
Murray
============

"Tom Pepper Willett" <tompepper@mvps.invalid> wrote in message
news:urvW%23qXjFHA.3064@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
> Murray:
>
> I'm not familiar with the term "stack separate tables". Could you please
> expound?
>
> Thanks,
> --
> ===
> Tom "Pepper" Willett
> Microsoft MVP - FrontPage
> ---
> About FrontPage 2003:
> http://office.microsoft.com/home/office.aspx?assetid=FX01085802
> ===
> "Murray" <forums@HAHAgreat-web-sights.com> wrote in message
> news:eTH9T4VjFHA.3256@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> | Here's even better advice.
> |
> | Stack separate tables.
> |
> | Table1 with one column/row configuration
> | Table2 with a new column/row configuration
> | Table3 with the original column/row configuration
> |
> | This is a better solution since none of the cells will have a row- or
> | colspan applied, and since you will not have nested tables (although the
> | ones Kevin recommends are gentle ones). Nested tables can get pretty
> | complex pretty fast and can slow your browser rendering WAY down.
> |
> | Separate stacked tables do not have this problem and are quite simple to
> | maintain.
> |
> | --
> | Murray
> | ============
> |
> | "Pierre" <pf@arobas.net> wrote in message
> | news:u86QruVjFHA.2904@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> | > good advice, thanks
> | >
> | > Kevin Spencer a écrit dans le message
> | > <#vQ0nrVjFHA.3144@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl>...
> | >>Hi Pierre,
> | >>
> | >>The problem is that a table has a fixed number of columns, and that
> when
> | > you
> | >>merge cells, you are, in essence, merging columns in a row. So, when
> you
> | >>split the merged columns, you are, in essence, adding extra columns to
> the
> | >>whole table, and merging the ones that were not previously merged. the
> | >>column widths in each resulting column, merged or not, are fixed to
> either
> | > a
> | >>column or more than one column's width.
> | >>
> | >>What you probably need to do is to merge the columns that you
> originally
> | >>merged, leaving a "hole," and then put an entire table into the whole.
> The
> | >>nested table can then have as many columns as you wish, and they will
> not
> | >>correspond to any columns in the parent table.
> | >>
> | >>--
> | >>HTH,
> | >>
> | >>Kevin Spencer
> | >>Microsoft MVP
> | >>.Net Developer
> | >>The sun never sets on
> | >>the Kingdom of Heaven
> | >>
> | >>"Pierre" <pf@arobas.net> wrote in message
> | >>news:%2387x$eVjFHA.2916@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
> | >>> Hi all,
> | >>>
> | >>> I have a table with multiple row and 5 columns.
> | >>>
> | >>> On a few rows, i woul like to be able to put more columns.
> | >>> I have merge the cells on that row and then split the cells to 8.
> | >>>
> | >>> My problem is that when i try to fix the beginning and end of the
> row
> | >>> by moving hte borders, i cannot place them where i want.
> | >>> Looks like they are related to the positon of the row above.
> | >>>
> | >>> I there a way to place them freely like shift-click or something
> else
> | >>>
> | >>> regards,
> | >>>
> | >>> pierre
> | >>>
> | >>>
> | >>
> | >>
> | >
> | >
> |
> |
>
>



Re: tables by Kevin

Kevin
Thu Jul 21 06:12:17 CDT 2005

Hey Murray, one more question, if I may. How many tables can you stack
before the page gets wobbly and/or falls over? Is it more sturdy if you have
a lot of columns?

--
;-),

Kevin Spencer
Microsoft MVP
.Net Developer
The sun never sets on
the Kingdom of Heaven

"Murray" <forums@HAHAgreat-web-sights.com> wrote in message
news:Ok3OUcZjFHA.2156@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
> <table></table>
> <table></table>
> <table></table>
>
> A stack of three separate tables....
>
> --
> Murray
> ============
>
> "Tom Pepper Willett" <tompepper@mvps.invalid> wrote in message
> news:urvW%23qXjFHA.3064@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
>> Murray:
>>
>> I'm not familiar with the term "stack separate tables". Could you please
>> expound?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> --
>> ===
>> Tom "Pepper" Willett
>> Microsoft MVP - FrontPage
>> ---
>> About FrontPage 2003:
>> http://office.microsoft.com/home/office.aspx?assetid=FX01085802
>> ===
>> "Murray" <forums@HAHAgreat-web-sights.com> wrote in message
>> news:eTH9T4VjFHA.3256@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
>> | Here's even better advice.
>> |
>> | Stack separate tables.
>> |
>> | Table1 with one column/row configuration
>> | Table2 with a new column/row configuration
>> | Table3 with the original column/row configuration
>> |
>> | This is a better solution since none of the cells will have a row- or
>> | colspan applied, and since you will not have nested tables (although
>> the
>> | ones Kevin recommends are gentle ones). Nested tables can get pretty
>> | complex pretty fast and can slow your browser rendering WAY down.
>> |
>> | Separate stacked tables do not have this problem and are quite simple
>> to
>> | maintain.
>> |
>> | --
>> | Murray
>> | ============
>> |
>> | "Pierre" <pf@arobas.net> wrote in message
>> | news:u86QruVjFHA.2904@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>> | > good advice, thanks
>> | >
>> | > Kevin Spencer a écrit dans le message
>> | > <#vQ0nrVjFHA.3144@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl>...
>> | >>Hi Pierre,
>> | >>
>> | >>The problem is that a table has a fixed number of columns, and that
>> when
>> | > you
>> | >>merge cells, you are, in essence, merging columns in a row. So, when
>> you
>> | >>split the merged columns, you are, in essence, adding extra columns
>> to
>> the
>> | >>whole table, and merging the ones that were not previously merged.
>> the
>> | >>column widths in each resulting column, merged or not, are fixed to
>> either
>> | > a
>> | >>column or more than one column's width.
>> | >>
>> | >>What you probably need to do is to merge the columns that you
>> originally
>> | >>merged, leaving a "hole," and then put an entire table into the
>> whole.
>> The
>> | >>nested table can then have as many columns as you wish, and they will
>> not
>> | >>correspond to any columns in the parent table.
>> | >>
>> | >>--
>> | >>HTH,
>> | >>
>> | >>Kevin Spencer
>> | >>Microsoft MVP
>> | >>.Net Developer
>> | >>The sun never sets on
>> | >>the Kingdom of Heaven
>> | >>
>> | >>"Pierre" <pf@arobas.net> wrote in message
>> | >>news:%2387x$eVjFHA.2916@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
>> | >>> Hi all,
>> | >>>
>> | >>> I have a table with multiple row and 5 columns.
>> | >>>
>> | >>> On a few rows, i woul like to be able to put more columns.
>> | >>> I have merge the cells on that row and then split the cells to 8.
>> | >>>
>> | >>> My problem is that when i try to fix the beginning and end of the
>> row
>> | >>> by moving hte borders, i cannot place them where i want.
>> | >>> Looks like they are related to the positon of the row above.
>> | >>>
>> | >>> I there a way to place them freely like shift-click or something
>> else
>> | >>>
>> | >>> regards,
>> | >>>
>> | >>> pierre
>> | >>>
>> | >>>
>> | >>
>> | >>
>> | >
>> | >
>> |
>> |
>>
>>
>
>



Re: tables by Murray

Murray
Thu Jul 21 06:38:41 CDT 2005

If you use rebars in the tables, the number is unlimited. 8)

Yeah - stacks of two column tables are quite wobbly....

Heh - NOT.

--
Murray
============

"Kevin Spencer" <kevin@DIESPAMMERSDIEtakempis.com> wrote in message
news:OF1kPUejFHA.3936@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> Hey Murray, one more question, if I may. How many tables can you stack
> before the page gets wobbly and/or falls over? Is it more sturdy if you
> have a lot of columns?
>
> --
> ;-),
>
> Kevin Spencer
> Microsoft MVP
> .Net Developer
> The sun never sets on
> the Kingdom of Heaven
>
> "Murray" <forums@HAHAgreat-web-sights.com> wrote in message
> news:Ok3OUcZjFHA.2156@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
>> <table></table>
>> <table></table>
>> <table></table>
>>
>> A stack of three separate tables....
>>
>> --
>> Murray
>> ============
>>
>> "Tom Pepper Willett" <tompepper@mvps.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:urvW%23qXjFHA.3064@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
>>> Murray:
>>>
>>> I'm not familiar with the term "stack separate tables". Could you
>>> please
>>> expound?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> --
>>> ===
>>> Tom "Pepper" Willett
>>> Microsoft MVP - FrontPage
>>> ---
>>> About FrontPage 2003:
>>> http://office.microsoft.com/home/office.aspx?assetid=FX01085802
>>> ===
>>> "Murray" <forums@HAHAgreat-web-sights.com> wrote in message
>>> news:eTH9T4VjFHA.3256@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
>>> | Here's even better advice.
>>> |
>>> | Stack separate tables.
>>> |
>>> | Table1 with one column/row configuration
>>> | Table2 with a new column/row configuration
>>> | Table3 with the original column/row configuration
>>> |
>>> | This is a better solution since none of the cells will have a row- or
>>> | colspan applied, and since you will not have nested tables (although
>>> the
>>> | ones Kevin recommends are gentle ones). Nested tables can get pretty
>>> | complex pretty fast and can slow your browser rendering WAY down.
>>> |
>>> | Separate stacked tables do not have this problem and are quite simple
>>> to
>>> | maintain.
>>> |
>>> | --
>>> | Murray
>>> | ============
>>> |
>>> | "Pierre" <pf@arobas.net> wrote in message
>>> | news:u86QruVjFHA.2904@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>>> | > good advice, thanks
>>> | >
>>> | > Kevin Spencer a écrit dans le message
>>> | > <#vQ0nrVjFHA.3144@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl>...
>>> | >>Hi Pierre,
>>> | >>
>>> | >>The problem is that a table has a fixed number of columns, and that
>>> when
>>> | > you
>>> | >>merge cells, you are, in essence, merging columns in a row. So, when
>>> you
>>> | >>split the merged columns, you are, in essence, adding extra columns
>>> to
>>> the
>>> | >>whole table, and merging the ones that were not previously merged.
>>> the
>>> | >>column widths in each resulting column, merged or not, are fixed to
>>> either
>>> | > a
>>> | >>column or more than one column's width.
>>> | >>
>>> | >>What you probably need to do is to merge the columns that you
>>> originally
>>> | >>merged, leaving a "hole," and then put an entire table into the
>>> whole.
>>> The
>>> | >>nested table can then have as many columns as you wish, and they
>>> will
>>> not
>>> | >>correspond to any columns in the parent table.
>>> | >>
>>> | >>--
>>> | >>HTH,
>>> | >>
>>> | >>Kevin Spencer
>>> | >>Microsoft MVP
>>> | >>.Net Developer
>>> | >>The sun never sets on
>>> | >>the Kingdom of Heaven
>>> | >>
>>> | >>"Pierre" <pf@arobas.net> wrote in message
>>> | >>news:%2387x$eVjFHA.2916@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
>>> | >>> Hi all,
>>> | >>>
>>> | >>> I have a table with multiple row and 5 columns.
>>> | >>>
>>> | >>> On a few rows, i woul like to be able to put more columns.
>>> | >>> I have merge the cells on that row and then split the cells to 8.
>>> | >>>
>>> | >>> My problem is that when i try to fix the beginning and end of the
>>> row
>>> | >>> by moving hte borders, i cannot place them where i want.
>>> | >>> Looks like they are related to the positon of the row above.
>>> | >>>
>>> | >>> I there a way to place them freely like shift-click or something
>>> else
>>> | >>>
>>> | >>> regards,
>>> | >>>
>>> | >>> pierre
>>> | >>>
>>> | >>>
>>> | >>
>>> | >>
>>> | >
>>> | >
>>> |
>>> |
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>



Re: tables by Tom

Tom
Thu Jul 21 08:03:09 CDT 2005

Okay. I've just never heard the term before.
--
===
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Microsoft MVP - FrontPage
---
About FrontPage 2003:
http://office.microsoft.com/home/office.aspx?assetid=FX01085802
===
"Murray" <forums@HAHAgreat-web-sights.com> wrote in message
news:Ok3OUcZjFHA.2156@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
| <table></table>
| <table></table>
| <table></table>
|
| A stack of three separate tables....
|
| --
| Murray
| ============
|
| "Tom Pepper Willett" <tompepper@mvps.invalid> wrote in message
| news:urvW%23qXjFHA.3064@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
| > Murray:
| >
| > I'm not familiar with the term "stack separate tables". Could you
please
| > expound?
| >
| > Thanks,
| > --
| > ===
| > Tom "Pepper" Willett
| > Microsoft MVP - FrontPage
| > ---
| > About FrontPage 2003:
| > http://office.microsoft.com/home/office.aspx?assetid=FX01085802
| > ===
| > "Murray" <forums@HAHAgreat-web-sights.com> wrote in message
| > news:eTH9T4VjFHA.3256@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
| > | Here's even better advice.
| > |
| > | Stack separate tables.
| > |
| > | Table1 with one column/row configuration
| > | Table2 with a new column/row configuration
| > | Table3 with the original column/row configuration
| > |
| > | This is a better solution since none of the cells will have a row- or
| > | colspan applied, and since you will not have nested tables (although
the
| > | ones Kevin recommends are gentle ones). Nested tables can get pretty
| > | complex pretty fast and can slow your browser rendering WAY down.
| > |
| > | Separate stacked tables do not have this problem and are quite simple
to
| > | maintain.
| > |
| > | --
| > | Murray
| > | ============
| > |
| > | "Pierre" <pf@arobas.net> wrote in message
| > | news:u86QruVjFHA.2904@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
| > | > good advice, thanks
| > | >
| > | > Kevin Spencer a écrit dans le message
| > | > <#vQ0nrVjFHA.3144@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl>...
| > | >>Hi Pierre,
| > | >>
| > | >>The problem is that a table has a fixed number of columns, and that
| > when
| > | > you
| > | >>merge cells, you are, in essence, merging columns in a row. So, when
| > you
| > | >>split the merged columns, you are, in essence, adding extra columns
to
| > the
| > | >>whole table, and merging the ones that were not previously merged.
the
| > | >>column widths in each resulting column, merged or not, are fixed to
| > either
| > | > a
| > | >>column or more than one column's width.
| > | >>
| > | >>What you probably need to do is to merge the columns that you
| > originally
| > | >>merged, leaving a "hole," and then put an entire table into the
whole.
| > The
| > | >>nested table can then have as many columns as you wish, and they
will
| > not
| > | >>correspond to any columns in the parent table.
| > | >>
| > | >>--
| > | >>HTH,
| > | >>
| > | >>Kevin Spencer
| > | >>Microsoft MVP
| > | >>.Net Developer
| > | >>The sun never sets on
| > | >>the Kingdom of Heaven
| > | >>
| > | >>"Pierre" <pf@arobas.net> wrote in message
| > | >>news:%2387x$eVjFHA.2916@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
| > | >>> Hi all,
| > | >>>
| > | >>> I have a table with multiple row and 5 columns.
| > | >>>
| > | >>> On a few rows, i woul like to be able to put more columns.
| > | >>> I have merge the cells on that row and then split the cells to 8.
| > | >>>
| > | >>> My problem is that when i try to fix the beginning and end of the
| > row
| > | >>> by moving hte borders, i cannot place them where i want.
| > | >>> Looks like they are related to the positon of the row above.
| > | >>>
| > | >>> I there a way to place them freely like shift-click or something
| > else
| > | >>>
| > | >>> regards,
| > | >>>
| > | >>> pierre
| > | >>>
| > | >>>
| > | >>
| > | >>
| > | >
| > | >
| > |
| > |
| >
| >
|
|



Re: tables by Murray

Murray
Thu Jul 21 08:35:42 CDT 2005

Now you know! 8)

Stacked tables are a very handy way to change column arrangements in the
middle of a layout, and not fall into the trap of col- or rowspan
hinkiness....

--
Murray
============

"Tom Pepper Willett" <tompepper@mvps.invalid> wrote in message
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> Okay. I've just never heard the term before.
> --
> ===
> Tom "Pepper" Willett
> Microsoft MVP - FrontPage
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> About FrontPage 2003:
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> "Murray" <forums@HAHAgreat-web-sights.com> wrote in message
> news:Ok3OUcZjFHA.2156@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
> | <table></table>
> | <table></table>
> | <table></table>
> |
> | A stack of three separate tables....
> |
> | --
> | Murray
> | ============
> |
> | "Tom Pepper Willett" <tompepper@mvps.invalid> wrote in message
> | news:urvW%23qXjFHA.3064@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
> | > Murray:
> | >
> | > I'm not familiar with the term "stack separate tables". Could you
> please
> | > expound?
> | >
> | > Thanks,
> | > --
> | > ===
> | > Tom "Pepper" Willett
> | > Microsoft MVP - FrontPage
> | > ---
> | > About FrontPage 2003:
> | > http://office.microsoft.com/home/office.aspx?assetid=FX01085802
> | > ===
> | > "Murray" <forums@HAHAgreat-web-sights.com> wrote in message
> | > news:eTH9T4VjFHA.3256@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> | > | Here's even better advice.
> | > |
> | > | Stack separate tables.
> | > |
> | > | Table1 with one column/row configuration
> | > | Table2 with a new column/row configuration
> | > | Table3 with the original column/row configuration
> | > |
> | > | This is a better solution since none of the cells will have a row-
> or
> | > | colspan applied, and since you will not have nested tables (although
> the
> | > | ones Kevin recommends are gentle ones). Nested tables can get
> pretty
> | > | complex pretty fast and can slow your browser rendering WAY down.
> | > |
> | > | Separate stacked tables do not have this problem and are quite
> simple
> to
> | > | maintain.
> | > |
> | > | --
> | > | Murray
> | > | ============
> | > |
> | > | "Pierre" <pf@arobas.net> wrote in message
> | > | news:u86QruVjFHA.2904@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> | > | > good advice, thanks
> | > | >
> | > | > Kevin Spencer a écrit dans le message
> | > | > <#vQ0nrVjFHA.3144@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl>...
> | > | >>Hi Pierre,
> | > | >>
> | > | >>The problem is that a table has a fixed number of columns, and
> that
> | > when
> | > | > you
> | > | >>merge cells, you are, in essence, merging columns in a row. So,
> when
> | > you
> | > | >>split the merged columns, you are, in essence, adding extra
> columns
> to
> | > the
> | > | >>whole table, and merging the ones that were not previously merged.
> the
> | > | >>column widths in each resulting column, merged or not, are fixed
> to
> | > either
> | > | > a
> | > | >>column or more than one column's width.
> | > | >>
> | > | >>What you probably need to do is to merge the columns that you
> | > originally
> | > | >>merged, leaving a "hole," and then put an entire table into the
> whole.
> | > The
> | > | >>nested table can then have as many columns as you wish, and they
> will
> | > not
> | > | >>correspond to any columns in the parent table.
> | > | >>
> | > | >>--
> | > | >>HTH,
> | > | >>
> | > | >>Kevin Spencer
> | > | >>Microsoft MVP
> | > | >>.Net Developer
> | > | >>The sun never sets on
> | > | >>the Kingdom of Heaven
> | > | >>
> | > | >>"Pierre" <pf@arobas.net> wrote in message
> | > | >>news:%2387x$eVjFHA.2916@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
> | > | >>> Hi all,
> | > | >>>
> | > | >>> I have a table with multiple row and 5 columns.
> | > | >>>
> | > | >>> On a few rows, i woul like to be able to put more columns.
> | > | >>> I have merge the cells on that row and then split the cells to
> 8.
> | > | >>>
> | > | >>> My problem is that when i try to fix the beginning and end of
> the
> | > row
> | > | >>> by moving hte borders, i cannot place them where i want.
> | > | >>> Looks like they are related to the positon of the row above.
> | > | >>>
> | > | >>> I there a way to place them freely like shift-click or something
> | > else
> | > | >>>
> | > | >>> regards,
> | > | >>>
> | > | >>> pierre
> | > | >>>
> | > | >>>
> | > | >>
> | > | >>
> | > | >
> | > | >
> | > |
> | > |
> | >
> | >
> |
> |
>
>



Re: tables by MikeR

MikeR
Thu Jul 21 08:38:10 CDT 2005

Enclose in the <fb></fb> tags. (Flying buttress)


MikeR 1st

Kevin Spencer wrote:
> Hey Murray, one more question, if I may. How many tables can you stack
> before the page gets wobbly and/or falls over? Is it more sturdy if you have
> a lot of columns?
>