Ok to remove style="border-collapse: collapse"

I received an email from someone in an online forum about my site. I
had indicated that the borders on my site do not appear the same in IE
and NN. The person told me to remove all references to

style="border-collapse: collapse"

I did that on the main page of my site and saw no change (good thing)
but was wondering what the purpose of this tag was and would it affect
my site if I removed it?

Murray
Tue Sep 07 17:00:25 CDT 2004

That style prevents the borders on your table cells from doubling. In other
words if you have two adjacent cells, each with a 1px border, it prevents
you from having 2px of border between them. I doubt that its removal would
achieve what you want. Wanna show me the page?

--
Murray

"Just a guy" <justaguy@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>I received an email from someone in an online forum about my site. I
> had indicated that the borders on my site do not appear the same in IE
> and NN. The person told me to remove all references to
>
> style="border-collapse: collapse"
>
> I did that on the main page of my site and saw no change (good thing)
> but was wondering what the purpose of this tag was and would it affect
> my site if I removed it?

Jens
Tue Sep 07 17:24:10 CDT 2004

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Used to remove borders on browsers that support CSS2.

Regards Jens Peter Karlsen. Microsoft MVP - Frontpage.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Just a guy [mailto:justaguy@yahoo.com]
> Posted At: 7. september 2004 23:34
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> I received an email from someone in an online forum about my
> site. I had indicated that the borders on my site do not
> appear the same in IE and NN. The person told me to remove
> all references to
>
> style="border-collapse: collapse"
>
> I did that on the main page of my site and saw no change
> (good thing) but was wondering what the purpose of this tag
> was and would it affect my site if I removed it?
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Just
Tue Sep 07 17:35:17 CDT 2004

This is the page where I removed the collapse line (it is my backup
copy)

http://www.kcflorist.com/index.html

THis is the backup copy I made before removing the collape line...I
see no difference.

http://www.kcflorist.com/11.site/index.html

On Tue, 7 Sep 2004 18:00:25 -0400, "Murray"
<forums@HAHAgreat-web-sights.com> wrote:

>That style prevents the borders on your table cells from doubling. In other
>words if you have two adjacent cells, each with a 1px border, it prevents
>you from having 2px of border between them. I doubt that its removal would
>achieve what you want. Wanna show me the page?

Murray
Tue Sep 07 18:22:45 CDT 2004

By the way - would you please remove that right click thing (useless) from
your pages?

--
Murray

"Just a guy" <justaguy@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:bpdsj0hodi96o6d8kp4lranrh2ihichp45@4ax.com...
> This is the page where I removed the collapse line (it is my backup
> copy)
>
> http://www.kcflorist.com/index.html
>
> THis is the backup copy I made before removing the collape line...I
> see no difference.
>
> http://www.kcflorist.com/11.site/index.html
>
>
>
> On Tue, 7 Sep 2004 18:00:25 -0400, "Murray"
> <forums@HAHAgreat-web-sights.com> wrote:
>
>>That style prevents the borders on your table cells from doubling. In
>>other
>>words if you have two adjacent cells, each with a 1px border, it prevents
>>you from having 2px of border between them. I doubt that its removal
>>would
>>achieve what you want. Wanna show me the page?
>

Murray
Tue Sep 07 18:22:10 CDT 2004

Which way do you want them to be? IE or NN? Also, do you want an outer
border around the table?

--
Murray

"Just a guy" <justaguy@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:bpdsj0hodi96o6d8kp4lranrh2ihichp45@4ax.com...
> This is the page where I removed the collapse line (it is my backup
> copy)
>
> http://www.kcflorist.com/index.html
>
> THis is the backup copy I made before removing the collape line...I
> see no difference.
>
> http://www.kcflorist.com/11.site/index.html
>
>
>
> On Tue, 7 Sep 2004 18:00:25 -0400, "Murray"
> <forums@HAHAgreat-web-sights.com> wrote:
>
>>That style prevents the borders on your table cells from doubling. In
>>other
>>words if you have two adjacent cells, each with a 1px border, it prevents
>>you from having 2px of border between them. I doubt that its removal
>>would
>>achieve what you want. Wanna show me the page?
>

Murray
Tue Sep 07 18:32:03 CDT 2004

Actually, I can find no instance of border-collapse being used on either
page. But I do see that you have not specified a background color for the
page, and browsers that use gray if it's not specified will not be kind to
your layout!

--
Murray

"Just a guy" <justaguy@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:bpdsj0hodi96o6d8kp4lranrh2ihichp45@4ax.com...
> This is the page where I removed the collapse line (it is my backup
> copy)
>
> http://www.kcflorist.com/index.html
>
> THis is the backup copy I made before removing the collape line...I
> see no difference.
>
> http://www.kcflorist.com/11.site/index.html
>
>
>
> On Tue, 7 Sep 2004 18:00:25 -0400, "Murray"
> <forums@HAHAgreat-web-sights.com> wrote:
>
>>That style prevents the borders on your table cells from doubling. In
>>other
>>words if you have two adjacent cells, each with a 1px border, it prevents
>>you from having 2px of border between them. I doubt that its removal
>>would
>>achieve what you want. Wanna show me the page?
>

Tom
Tue Sep 07 18:39:10 CDT 2004

...Murray, as you know, the right click thing doesn't stop anyone from
getting the image. It's already in the visitor's browser cache. Or,
available when you view the source, such as:

http://www.kcflorist.com/11.site/new.kcflorist.gif
--
===
Tom "Pepper" Willett
Microsoft MVP - FrontPage
---
About FrontPage 2003:
http://office.microsoft.com/home/office.aspx?assetid=FX01085802
FrontPage 2003 Product Information:
http://www.microsoft.com/office/frontpage/prodinfo/default.mspx
Understanding FrontPage:
http://msdn.microsoft.com/office/understanding/frontpage/
===
"Murray" <forums@HAHAgreat-web-sights.com> wrote in message
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| By the way - would you please remove that right click thing (useless) from
| your pages?
|
| --
| Murray
|
| "Just a guy" <justaguy@yahoo.com> wrote in message
| news:bpdsj0hodi96o6d8kp4lranrh2ihichp45@4ax.com...
| > This is the page where I removed the collapse line (it is my backup
| > copy)
| >
| > http://www.kcflorist.com/index.html
| >
| > THis is the backup copy I made before removing the collape line...I
| > see no difference.
| >
| > http://www.kcflorist.com/11.site/index.html
| >
| >
| >
| > On Tue, 7 Sep 2004 18:00:25 -0400, "Murray"
| > <forums@HAHAgreat-web-sights.com> wrote:
| >
| >>That style prevents the borders on your table cells from doubling. In
| >>other
| >>words if you have two adjacent cells, each with a 1px border, it
prevents
| >>you from having 2px of border between them. I doubt that its removal
| >>would
| >>achieve what you want. Wanna show me the page?
| >
|
|

Murray
Tue Sep 07 19:00:44 CDT 2004

Of course. That's why I asked the OP to remove it. It only aggravates
those who try to troubleshoot problems for them! 8)

--
Murray

"Tom Pepper Willett" <tompepper@mvps.org> wrote in message
news:%23jEVyPTlEHA.712@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> ...Murray, as you know, the right click thing doesn't stop anyone from
> getting the image. It's already in the visitor's browser cache. Or,
> available when you view the source, such as:
>
> http://www.kcflorist.com/11.site/new.kcflorist.gif
> --
> ===
> Tom "Pepper" Willett
> Microsoft MVP - FrontPage
> ---
> About FrontPage 2003:
> http://office.microsoft.com/home/office.aspx?assetid=FX01085802
> FrontPage 2003 Product Information:
> http://www.microsoft.com/office/frontpage/prodinfo/default.mspx
> Understanding FrontPage:
> http://msdn.microsoft.com/office/understanding/frontpage/
> ===
> "Murray" <forums@HAHAgreat-web-sights.com> wrote in message
> news:O7T5TGTlEHA.3988@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
> | By the way - would you please remove that right click thing (useless)
> from
> | your pages?
> |
> | --
> | Murray
> |
> | "Just a guy" <justaguy@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> | news:bpdsj0hodi96o6d8kp4lranrh2ihichp45@4ax.com...
> | > This is the page where I removed the collapse line (it is my backup
> | > copy)
> | >
> | > http://www.kcflorist.com/index.html
> | >
> | > THis is the backup copy I made before removing the collape line...I
> | > see no difference.
> | >
> | > http://www.kcflorist.com/11.site/index.html
> | >
> | >
> | >
> | > On Tue, 7 Sep 2004 18:00:25 -0400, "Murray"
> | > <forums@HAHAgreat-web-sights.com> wrote:
> | >
> | >>That style prevents the borders on your table cells from doubling. In
> | >>other
> | >>words if you have two adjacent cells, each with a 1px border, it
> prevents
> | >>you from having 2px of border between them. I doubt that its removal
> | >>would
> | >>achieve what you want. Wanna show me the page?
> | >
> |
> |
>
>

Just
Tue Sep 07 20:14:29 CDT 2004

Thanks for the feedback. I just assumed that if you do not specify a
background color that it defaults to white. Would you recommend that
I specify the background color as being white on every page?

Also, I know the right-click thing is a pain but you would be
surprised how many people in our industry steal images from each
other, such as FTD images, when they are not FTD. The right-click
disable slows them down...not so much the tech wizards who know how to
get aorund it or by checking their cache.

On Tue, 7 Sep 2004 19:32:03 -0400, "Murray"
<forums@HAHAgreat-web-sights.com> wrote:

>Actually, I can find no instance of border-collapse being used on either
>page. But I do see that you have not specified a background color for the
>page, and browsers that use gray if it's not specified will not be kind to
>your layout!

Murray
Wed Sep 08 06:07:41 CDT 2004

> Thanks for the feedback. I just assumed that if you do not specify a
> background color that it defaults to white. Would you recommend that
> I specify the background color as being white on every page?

Yes. It's easy if you do it once in an external stylesheet and then link
each page to that stylesheet. On the web, it's normal and usual that not
specifying something means "use *YOUR* default value here", not "use *MY*
default value here"! It just happens that IE's default is unlike any other
browser in that it's white. All other browsers default to green polka dots
(just kidding - it's gray).

> Also, I know the right-click thing is a pain but you would be
> surprised how many people in our industry steal images from each
> other, such as FTD images, when they are not FTD. The right-click
> disable slows them down...not so much the tech wizards who know how to
> get aorund it or by checking their cache.

It only slows down the ones who wouldn't take anything anyhow. It has no
effect on those who know how to steal them. Please. Get rid of it. It's a
waste of your effort and an insult to your visitors.

Now - on to the border thing. Which rendering do you want - Netscape's or
IE's? And why am I not able to find an instance of border-collapse being
used anywhere on your pages?

--
Murray

"Just a guy" <justaguy@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:s5msj0lrquu0194rmvgqc47d7e712iqkpt@4ax.com...
> Thanks for the feedback. I just assumed that if you do not specify a
> background color that it defaults to white. Would you recommend that
> I specify the background color as being white on every page?
>
> Also, I know the right-click thing is a pain but you would be
> surprised how many people in our industry steal images from each
> other, such as FTD images, when they are not FTD. The right-click
> disable slows them down...not so much the tech wizards who know how to
> get aorund it or by checking their cache.
>
> On Tue, 7 Sep 2004 19:32:03 -0400, "Murray"
> <forums@HAHAgreat-web-sights.com> wrote:
>
>>Actually, I can find no instance of border-collapse being used on either
>>page. But I do see that you have not specified a background color for the
>>page, and browsers that use gray if it's not specified will not be kind to
>>your layout!
>

Ok to remove style="border-collapse: collapse"

Re: Ok to remove style="border-collapse: collapse" by Murray

Re: Ok to remove style="border-collapse: collapse" by Jens

Re: Ok to remove style="border-collapse: collapse" - location of file included by Just

Re: Ok to remove style="border-collapse: collapse" - location of file included by Murray

Re: Ok to remove style="border-collapse: collapse" - location of file included by Murray

Re: Ok to remove style="border-collapse: collapse" - location of file included by Murray

Re: Ok to remove style="border-collapse: collapse" - location of file included by Tom

Re: Ok to remove style="border-collapse: collapse" - location of file included by Murray

Re: Ok to remove style="border-collapse: collapse" - location of file included - response by Just

Re: Ok to remove style="border-collapse: collapse" - location of file included - response by Murray