Cabby here again. So I have a blank white page in a pristine and unpublished
website. I have a CSS design script I want to use.

How do I get started.

Is there a good, easy to understand for dummies, free, web tutorial or
informational article that you can point me to?

Or you could hold my hand, step by step. ;-)

Re: CSS For Dummies by Murray

Murray
Thu Jun 22 18:02:40 CDT 2006

A good way to get started would be to show me the CSS page. Can you do
that?

--
Murray
--------------
MVP FrontPage


"Cabby" <BassInk(nospam)@aol.com> wrote in message
news:576EBB72-05B3-4655-A044-86EEB9B8E58F@microsoft.com...
> Cabby here again. So I have a blank white page in a pristine and
> unpublished
> website. I have a CSS design script I want to use.
>
> How do I get started.
>
> Is there a good, easy to understand for dummies, free, web tutorial or
> informational article that you can point me to?
>
> Or you could hold my hand, step by step. ;-)



Re: CSS For Dummies by BassInk(nospam)

BassInk(nospam)
Thu Jun 22 20:16:01 CDT 2006

Can do. This is the look I'm headed for, it's one of the Zen Garden samples:
Like the Sea.
http://www.csszengarden.com/?cssfile=/163/163.css&page=3

"Murray" wrote:

> A good way to get started would be to show me the CSS page. Can you do
> that?
>
> --
> Murray
> --------------
> MVP FrontPage
>
>
> "Cabby" <BassInk(nospam)@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:576EBB72-05B3-4655-A044-86EEB9B8E58F@microsoft.com...
> > Cabby here again. So I have a blank white page in a pristine and
> > unpublished
> > website. I have a CSS design script I want to use.
> >
> > How do I get started.
> >
> > Is there a good, easy to understand for dummies, free, web tutorial or
> > informational article that you can point me to?
> >
> > Or you could hold my hand, step by step. ;-)
>
>
>

Re: CSS For Dummies by Murray

Murray
Fri Jun 23 06:38:34 CDT 2006

That's the stylesheet you are going to use?

I'd say that this is the wrong approach. You can't just grab a sophisticated
stylesheet from a site, and expect your page to magically look like that
page's layout.

I would take a different approach completely. Consider a pre-built template
for your site - one that comes with a fully documented stylesheet, and with
instructions on how to use it. Take a look at these two sites (they are
Dreamweaver-centric, but there's no reason why those layouts wouldn't work
for you in FP):

http://www.projectseven.com/ (look for the PagePack layouts - probably the
best documentation in the business)
http://dreamweaverresources.com/

--
Murray
--------------
MVP FrontPage


"Cabby" <BassInk(nospam)@aol.com> wrote in message
news:F5270D77-1DA9-4E35-A737-C3BC5948BACA@microsoft.com...
> Can do. This is the look I'm headed for, it's one of the Zen Garden
> samples:
> Like the Sea.
> http://www.csszengarden.com/?cssfile=/163/163.css&page=3
>
> "Murray" wrote:
>
>> A good way to get started would be to show me the CSS page. Can you do
>> that?
>>
>> --
>> Murray
>> --------------
>> MVP FrontPage
>>
>>
>> "Cabby" <BassInk(nospam)@aol.com> wrote in message
>> news:576EBB72-05B3-4655-A044-86EEB9B8E58F@microsoft.com...
>> > Cabby here again. So I have a blank white page in a pristine and
>> > unpublished
>> > website. I have a CSS design script I want to use.
>> >
>> > How do I get started.
>> >
>> > Is there a good, easy to understand for dummies, free, web tutorial or
>> > informational article that you can point me to?
>> >
>> > Or you could hold my hand, step by step. ;-)
>>
>>
>>



Re: CSS For Dummies by BassInk(nospam)

BassInk(nospam)
Fri Jun 23 10:11:02 CDT 2006

Truly, Murray, I'm not a wannabee magician. I know Zen Garden sites are not
templates, only guides that give the css for example. It's like I said in my
previous post, this is what I'm aiming for. (So I like gran cuvee champagne,
OK?) Plus, I'm willing to learn how to get what I envision. Isn't that the
foundation for application of ideas?

Still, I will definitely look into the sites and templates you suggested. In
addition, do you know of a good online CSS tutorial?

A new issue cropped up today with publishing. I'm off to search the forum
for this bug before I bug you guys again.

Many thanks.


"Murray" wrote:

> That's the stylesheet you are going to use?
>
> I'd say that this is the wrong approach. You can't just grab a sophisticated
> stylesheet from a site, and expect your page to magically look like that
> page's layout.
>
> I would take a different approach completely. Consider a pre-built template
> for your site - one that comes with a fully documented stylesheet, and with
> instructions on how to use it. Take a look at these two sites (they are
> Dreamweaver-centric, but there's no reason why those layouts wouldn't work
> for you in FP):
>
> http://www.projectseven.com/ (look for the PagePack layouts - probably the
> best documentation in the business)
> http://dreamweaverresources.com/
>
> --
> Murray
> --------------
> MVP FrontPage
>
>
> "Cabby" <BassInk(nospam)@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:F5270D77-1DA9-4E35-A737-C3BC5948BACA@microsoft.com...
> > Can do. This is the look I'm headed for, it's one of the Zen Garden
> > samples:
> > Like the Sea.
> > http://www.csszengarden.com/?cssfile=/163/163.css&page=3
> >
> > "Murray" wrote:
> >
> >> A good way to get started would be to show me the CSS page. Can you do
> >> that?
> >>
> >> --
> >> Murray
> >> --------------
> >> MVP FrontPage
> >>
> >>
> >> "Cabby" <BassInk(nospam)@aol.com> wrote in message
> >> news:576EBB72-05B3-4655-A044-86EEB9B8E58F@microsoft.com...
> >> > Cabby here again. So I have a blank white page in a pristine and
> >> > unpublished
> >> > website. I have a CSS design script I want to use.
> >> >
> >> > How do I get started.
> >> >
> >> > Is there a good, easy to understand for dummies, free, web tutorial or
> >> > informational article that you can point me to?
> >> >
> >> > Or you could hold my hand, step by step. ;-)
> >>
> >>
> >>
>
>
>

Re: CSS For Dummies by P

P
Fri Jun 23 11:29:25 CDT 2006


"Cabby" <BassInk(nospam)@aol.com> wrote in message
news:9A17A963-8EB8-4392-BEFD-67CCB3C50C53@microsoft.com...
> Truly, Murray, I'm not a wannabee magician. I know Zen Garden sites are
> not
> templates, only guides that give the css for example. It's like I said in
> my
> previous post, this is what I'm aiming for. (So I like gran cuvee
> champagne,
> OK?) Plus, I'm willing to learn how to get what I envision.

Right - I think Murray was saying, and I would agree, that the method you're
talking about isn't a good way to learn what you need to know to be able to
produce something like that layout - eventually.

It's as if I'm a beginning musician, and I want to play like a certain
master virtuoso, so I buy his CD and look for a "for dummies" lesson to show
me how to sound like that. That's just not the way to get from Point A to
Point B. :-)


--
Patty Ayers | www.WebDevBiz.com
Free Articles on the Business of Web Development
Web Design Contract, Estimate Request Form, Estimate Worksheet
--

Isn't that the
> foundation for application of ideas?
>
> Still, I will definitely look into the sites and templates you suggested.
> In
> addition, do you know of a good online CSS tutorial?
>
> A new issue cropped up today with publishing. I'm off to search the forum
> for this bug before I bug you guys again.
>
> Many thanks.
>
>
> "Murray" wrote:
>
>> That's the stylesheet you are going to use?
>>
>> I'd say that this is the wrong approach. You can't just grab a
>> sophisticated
>> stylesheet from a site, and expect your page to magically look like that
>> page's layout.
>>
>> I would take a different approach completely. Consider a pre-built
>> template
>> for your site - one that comes with a fully documented stylesheet, and
>> with
>> instructions on how to use it. Take a look at these two sites (they are
>> Dreamweaver-centric, but there's no reason why those layouts wouldn't
>> work
>> for you in FP):
>>
>> http://www.projectseven.com/ (look for the PagePack layouts - probably
>> the
>> best documentation in the business)
>> http://dreamweaverresources.com/
>>
>> --
>> Murray
>> --------------
>> MVP FrontPage
>>
>>
>> "Cabby" <BassInk(nospam)@aol.com> wrote in message
>> news:F5270D77-1DA9-4E35-A737-C3BC5948BACA@microsoft.com...
>> > Can do. This is the look I'm headed for, it's one of the Zen Garden
>> > samples:
>> > Like the Sea.
>> > http://www.csszengarden.com/?cssfile=/163/163.css&page=3
>> >
>> > "Murray" wrote:
>> >
>> >> A good way to get started would be to show me the CSS page. Can you
>> >> do
>> >> that?
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Murray
>> >> --------------
>> >> MVP FrontPage
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> "Cabby" <BassInk(nospam)@aol.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:576EBB72-05B3-4655-A044-86EEB9B8E58F@microsoft.com...
>> >> > Cabby here again. So I have a blank white page in a pristine and
>> >> > unpublished
>> >> > website. I have a CSS design script I want to use.
>> >> >
>> >> > How do I get started.
>> >> >
>> >> > Is there a good, easy to understand for dummies, free, web tutorial
>> >> > or
>> >> > informational article that you can point me to?
>> >> >
>> >> > Or you could hold my hand, step by step. ;-)
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>>
>>
>>



Re: CSS For Dummies by BassInk(nospam)

BassInk(nospam)
Fri Jun 23 12:59:01 CDT 2006

P@tty~Your musical metaphor is excellent. But still, I'm not asking to
replicate this exact design, nor for my site to have the sophistication it
achieves. It's the LOOK that I want to aim for.

The wannabee musician might buy the CD and the Dummies book and wonder why
they don't sound like James Galway after the first session. But the serious
musician begins as a dummy, but they seek professionals (like you guys here)
to learn from, and then practice, practice, practice. That's what I'm willing
to do. I'm not looking to be a Zen Garden designer overnight. (If ever ;-) I
just want a clean, sophisticated design that synthesizes the aspects of my
business.

In my original post, I did ask if anyone could suggest a good, online
tutorial for learning CSS. Any recommendations? And many thanks.

"P@tty Ayers" wrote:

>
> "Cabby" <BassInk(nospam)@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:9A17A963-8EB8-4392-BEFD-67CCB3C50C53@microsoft.com...
> > Truly, Murray, I'm not a wannabee magician. I know Zen Garden sites are
> > not
> > templates, only guides that give the css for example. It's like I said in
> > my
> > previous post, this is what I'm aiming for. (So I like gran cuvee
> > champagne,
> > OK?) Plus, I'm willing to learn how to get what I envision.
>
> Right - I think Murray was saying, and I would agree, that the method you're
> talking about isn't a good way to learn what you need to know to be able to
> produce something like that layout - eventually.
>
> It's as if I'm a beginning musician, and I want to play like a certain
> master virtuoso, so I buy his CD and look for a "for dummies" lesson to show
> me how to sound like that. That's just not the way to get from Point A to
> Point B. :-)
>
>
> --
> Patty Ayers | www.WebDevBiz.com
> Free Articles on the Business of Web Development
> Web Design Contract, Estimate Request Form, Estimate Worksheet
> --
>
> Isn't that the
> > foundation for application of ideas?
> >
> > Still, I will definitely look into the sites and templates you suggested.
> > In
> > addition, do you know of a good online CSS tutorial?
> >
> > A new issue cropped up today with publishing. I'm off to search the forum
> > for this bug before I bug you guys again.
> >
> > Many thanks.
> >
> >
> > "Murray" wrote:
> >
> >> That's the stylesheet you are going to use?
> >>
> >> I'd say that this is the wrong approach. You can't just grab a
> >> sophisticated
> >> stylesheet from a site, and expect your page to magically look like that
> >> page's layout.
> >>
> >> I would take a different approach completely. Consider a pre-built
> >> template
> >> for your site - one that comes with a fully documented stylesheet, and
> >> with
> >> instructions on how to use it. Take a look at these two sites (they are
> >> Dreamweaver-centric, but there's no reason why those layouts wouldn't
> >> work
> >> for you in FP):
> >>
> >> http://www.projectseven.com/ (look for the PagePack layouts - probably
> >> the
> >> best documentation in the business)
> >> http://dreamweaverresources.com/
> >>
> >> --
> >> Murray
> >> --------------
> >> MVP FrontPage
> >>
> >>
> >> "Cabby" <BassInk(nospam)@aol.com> wrote in message
> >> news:F5270D77-1DA9-4E35-A737-C3BC5948BACA@microsoft.com...
> >> > Can do. This is the look I'm headed for, it's one of the Zen Garden
> >> > samples:
> >> > Like the Sea.
> >> > http://www.csszengarden.com/?cssfile=/163/163.css&page=3
> >> >
> >> > "Murray" wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> A good way to get started would be to show me the CSS page. Can you
> >> >> do
> >> >> that?
> >> >>
> >> >> --
> >> >> Murray
> >> >> --------------
> >> >> MVP FrontPage
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> "Cabby" <BassInk(nospam)@aol.com> wrote in message
> >> >> news:576EBB72-05B3-4655-A044-86EEB9B8E58F@microsoft.com...
> >> >> > Cabby here again. So I have a blank white page in a pristine and
> >> >> > unpublished
> >> >> > website. I have a CSS design script I want to use.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > How do I get started.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Is there a good, easy to understand for dummies, free, web tutorial
> >> >> > or
> >> >> > informational article that you can point me to?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Or you could hold my hand, step by step. ;-)
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
>
>
>

Re: CSS For Dummies by Murray

Murray
Fri Jun 23 18:52:10 CDT 2006

http://www.projectseven.com/tutorials/css/qdmacfly/index.htm
http://www.macromedia.com/devnet/mx/dreamweaver/css.html
http://www.macromedia.com/devnet/dreamweaver/articles/tableless_layout_dw8.html
http://www.macromedia.com/devnet/dreamweaver/articles/css_concepts.html

Again, DW oriented, but the concepts and notions are platform agnostic.

--
Murray
--------------
MVP Front Page


"Cabby" <BassInk(nospam)@aol.com> wrote in message
news:BE40AA94-59E1-46E4-9413-977367971B05@microsoft.com...
> P@tty~Your musical metaphor is excellent. But still, I'm not asking to
> replicate this exact design, nor for my site to have the sophistication it
> achieves. It's the LOOK that I want to aim for.
>
> The wannabee musician might buy the CD and the Dummies book and wonder why
> they don't sound like James Galway after the first session. But the
> serious
> musician begins as a dummy, but they seek professionals (like you guys
> here)
> to learn from, and then practice, practice, practice. That's what I'm
> willing
> to do. I'm not looking to be a Zen Garden designer overnight. (If ever ;-)
> I
> just want a clean, sophisticated design that synthesizes the aspects of my
> business.
>
> In my original post, I did ask if anyone could suggest a good, online
> tutorial for learning CSS. Any recommendations? And many thanks.
>
> "P@tty Ayers" wrote:
>
>>
>> "Cabby" <BassInk(nospam)@aol.com> wrote in message
>> news:9A17A963-8EB8-4392-BEFD-67CCB3C50C53@microsoft.com...
>> > Truly, Murray, I'm not a wannabee magician. I know Zen Garden sites are
>> > not
>> > templates, only guides that give the css for example. It's like I said
>> > in
>> > my
>> > previous post, this is what I'm aiming for. (So I like gran cuvee
>> > champagne,
>> > OK?) Plus, I'm willing to learn how to get what I envision.
>>
>> Right - I think Murray was saying, and I would agree, that the method
>> you're
>> talking about isn't a good way to learn what you need to know to be able
>> to
>> produce something like that layout - eventually.
>>
>> It's as if I'm a beginning musician, and I want to play like a certain
>> master virtuoso, so I buy his CD and look for a "for dummies" lesson to
>> show
>> me how to sound like that. That's just not the way to get from Point A to
>> Point B. :-)
>>
>>
>> --
>> Patty Ayers | www.WebDevBiz.com
>> Free Articles on the Business of Web Development
>> Web Design Contract, Estimate Request Form, Estimate Worksheet
>> --
>>
>> Isn't that the
>> > foundation for application of ideas?
>> >
>> > Still, I will definitely look into the sites and templates you
>> > suggested.
>> > In
>> > addition, do you know of a good online CSS tutorial?
>> >
>> > A new issue cropped up today with publishing. I'm off to search the
>> > forum
>> > for this bug before I bug you guys again.
>> >
>> > Many thanks.
>> >
>> >
>> > "Murray" wrote:
>> >
>> >> That's the stylesheet you are going to use?
>> >>
>> >> I'd say that this is the wrong approach. You can't just grab a
>> >> sophisticated
>> >> stylesheet from a site, and expect your page to magically look like
>> >> that
>> >> page's layout.
>> >>
>> >> I would take a different approach completely. Consider a pre-built
>> >> template
>> >> for your site - one that comes with a fully documented stylesheet, and
>> >> with
>> >> instructions on how to use it. Take a look at these two sites (they
>> >> are
>> >> Dreamweaver-centric, but there's no reason why those layouts wouldn't
>> >> work
>> >> for you in FP):
>> >>
>> >> http://www.projectseven.com/ (look for the PagePack layouts - probably
>> >> the
>> >> best documentation in the business)
>> >> http://dreamweaverresources.com/
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Murray
>> >> --------------
>> >> MVP FrontPage
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> "Cabby" <BassInk(nospam)@aol.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:F5270D77-1DA9-4E35-A737-C3BC5948BACA@microsoft.com...
>> >> > Can do. This is the look I'm headed for, it's one of the Zen Garden
>> >> > samples:
>> >> > Like the Sea.
>> >> > http://www.csszengarden.com/?cssfile=/163/163.css&page=3
>> >> >
>> >> > "Murray" wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> A good way to get started would be to show me the CSS page. Can
>> >> >> you
>> >> >> do
>> >> >> that?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> --
>> >> >> Murray
>> >> >> --------------
>> >> >> MVP FrontPage
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> "Cabby" <BassInk(nospam)@aol.com> wrote in message
>> >> >> news:576EBB72-05B3-4655-A044-86EEB9B8E58F@microsoft.com...
>> >> >> > Cabby here again. So I have a blank white page in a pristine and
>> >> >> > unpublished
>> >> >> > website. I have a CSS design script I want to use.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > How do I get started.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Is there a good, easy to understand for dummies, free, web
>> >> >> > tutorial
>> >> >> > or
>> >> >> > informational article that you can point me to?
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Or you could hold my hand, step by step. ;-)
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>>
>>
>>



Re: CSS For Dummies by BassInk(nospam)

BassInk(nospam)
Fri Jun 23 21:13:01 CDT 2006

Thanks again, Murray. I'll check these out after tonight's movie and pizza.

"Murray" wrote:

> http://www.projectseven.com/tutorials/css/qdmacfly/index.htm
> http://www.macromedia.com/devnet/mx/dreamweaver/css.html
> http://www.macromedia.com/devnet/dreamweaver/articles/tableless_layout_dw8.html
> http://www.macromedia.com/devnet/dreamweaver/articles/css_concepts.html
>
> Again, DW oriented, but the concepts and notions are platform agnostic.
>
> --
> Murray
> --------------
> MVP Front Page
>
>
> "Cabby" <BassInk(nospam)@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:BE40AA94-59E1-46E4-9413-977367971B05@microsoft.com...
> > P@tty~Your musical metaphor is excellent. But still, I'm not asking to
> > replicate this exact design, nor for my site to have the sophistication it
> > achieves. It's the LOOK that I want to aim for.
> >
> > The wannabee musician might buy the CD and the Dummies book and wonder why
> > they don't sound like James Galway after the first session. But the
> > serious
> > musician begins as a dummy, but they seek professionals (like you guys
> > here)
> > to learn from, and then practice, practice, practice. That's what I'm
> > willing
> > to do. I'm not looking to be a Zen Garden designer overnight. (If ever ;-)
> > I
> > just want a clean, sophisticated design that synthesizes the aspects of my
> > business.
> >
> > In my original post, I did ask if anyone could suggest a good, online
> > tutorial for learning CSS. Any recommendations? And many thanks.
> >
> > "P@tty Ayers" wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> "Cabby" <BassInk(nospam)@aol.com> wrote in message
> >> news:9A17A963-8EB8-4392-BEFD-67CCB3C50C53@microsoft.com...
> >> > Truly, Murray, I'm not a wannabee magician. I know Zen Garden sites are
> >> > not
> >> > templates, only guides that give the css for example. It's like I said
> >> > in
> >> > my
> >> > previous post, this is what I'm aiming for. (So I like gran cuvee
> >> > champagne,
> >> > OK?) Plus, I'm willing to learn how to get what I envision.
> >>
> >> Right - I think Murray was saying, and I would agree, that the method
> >> you're
> >> talking about isn't a good way to learn what you need to know to be able
> >> to
> >> produce something like that layout - eventually.
> >>
> >> It's as if I'm a beginning musician, and I want to play like a certain
> >> master virtuoso, so I buy his CD and look for a "for dummies" lesson to
> >> show
> >> me how to sound like that. That's just not the way to get from Point A to
> >> Point B. :-)
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Patty Ayers | www.WebDevBiz.com
> >> Free Articles on the Business of Web Development
> >> Web Design Contract, Estimate Request Form, Estimate Worksheet
> >> --
> >>
> >> Isn't that the
> >> > foundation for application of ideas?
> >> >
> >> > Still, I will definitely look into the sites and templates you
> >> > suggested.
> >> > In
> >> > addition, do you know of a good online CSS tutorial?
> >> >
> >> > A new issue cropped up today with publishing. I'm off to search the
> >> > forum
> >> > for this bug before I bug you guys again.
> >> >
> >> > Many thanks.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > "Murray" wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> That's the stylesheet you are going to use?
> >> >>
> >> >> I'd say that this is the wrong approach. You can't just grab a
> >> >> sophisticated
> >> >> stylesheet from a site, and expect your page to magically look like
> >> >> that
> >> >> page's layout.
> >> >>
> >> >> I would take a different approach completely. Consider a pre-built
> >> >> template
> >> >> for your site - one that comes with a fully documented stylesheet, and
> >> >> with
> >> >> instructions on how to use it. Take a look at these two sites (they
> >> >> are
> >> >> Dreamweaver-centric, but there's no reason why those layouts wouldn't
> >> >> work
> >> >> for you in FP):
> >> >>
> >> >> http://www.projectseven.com/ (look for the PagePack layouts - probably
> >> >> the
> >> >> best documentation in the business)
> >> >> http://dreamweaverresources.com/
> >> >>
> >> >> --
> >> >> Murray
> >> >> --------------
> >> >> MVP FrontPage
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> "Cabby" <BassInk(nospam)@aol.com> wrote in message
> >> >> news:F5270D77-1DA9-4E35-A737-C3BC5948BACA@microsoft.com...
> >> >> > Can do. This is the look I'm headed for, it's one of the Zen Garden
> >> >> > samples:
> >> >> > Like the Sea.
> >> >> > http://www.csszengarden.com/?cssfile=/163/163.css&page=3
> >> >> >
> >> >> > "Murray" wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> A good way to get started would be to show me the CSS page. Can
> >> >> >> you
> >> >> >> do
> >> >> >> that?
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> --
> >> >> >> Murray
> >> >> >> --------------
> >> >> >> MVP FrontPage
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> "Cabby" <BassInk(nospam)@aol.com> wrote in message
> >> >> >> news:576EBB72-05B3-4655-A044-86EEB9B8E58F@microsoft.com...
> >> >> >> > Cabby here again. So I have a blank white page in a pristine and
> >> >> >> > unpublished
> >> >> >> > website. I have a CSS design script I want to use.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > How do I get started.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Is there a good, easy to understand for dummies, free, web
> >> >> >> > tutorial
> >> >> >> > or
> >> >> >> > informational article that you can point me to?
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Or you could hold my hand, step by step. ;-)
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
>
>
>

Re: CSS For Dummies by Murray

Murray
Sat Jun 24 08:00:42 CDT 2006

No beer, though.... 8)

--
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--------------
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"Cabby" <BassInk(nospam)@aol.com> wrote in message
news:DCEB8E64-3D58-4E88-9191-7BFD15BD9B56@microsoft.com...
> Thanks again, Murray. I'll check these out after tonight's movie and
> pizza.
>
> "Murray" wrote:
>
>> http://www.projectseven.com/tutorials/css/qdmacfly/index.htm
>> http://www.macromedia.com/devnet/mx/dreamweaver/css.html
>> http://www.macromedia.com/devnet/dreamweaver/articles/tableless_layout_dw8.html
>> http://www.macromedia.com/devnet/dreamweaver/articles/css_concepts.html
>>
>> Again, DW oriented, but the concepts and notions are platform agnostic.
>>
>> --
>> Murray
>> --------------
>> MVP Front Page
>>
>>
>> "Cabby" <BassInk(nospam)@aol.com> wrote in message
>> news:BE40AA94-59E1-46E4-9413-977367971B05@microsoft.com...
>> > P@tty~Your musical metaphor is excellent. But still, I'm not asking to
>> > replicate this exact design, nor for my site to have the sophistication
>> > it
>> > achieves. It's the LOOK that I want to aim for.
>> >
>> > The wannabee musician might buy the CD and the Dummies book and wonder
>> > why
>> > they don't sound like James Galway after the first session. But the
>> > serious
>> > musician begins as a dummy, but they seek professionals (like you guys
>> > here)
>> > to learn from, and then practice, practice, practice. That's what I'm
>> > willing
>> > to do. I'm not looking to be a Zen Garden designer overnight. (If ever
>> > ;-)
>> > I
>> > just want a clean, sophisticated design that synthesizes the aspects of
>> > my
>> > business.
>> >
>> > In my original post, I did ask if anyone could suggest a good, online
>> > tutorial for learning CSS. Any recommendations? And many thanks.
>> >
>> > "P@tty Ayers" wrote:
>> >
>> >>
>> >> "Cabby" <BassInk(nospam)@aol.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:9A17A963-8EB8-4392-BEFD-67CCB3C50C53@microsoft.com...
>> >> > Truly, Murray, I'm not a wannabee magician. I know Zen Garden sites
>> >> > are
>> >> > not
>> >> > templates, only guides that give the css for example. It's like I
>> >> > said
>> >> > in
>> >> > my
>> >> > previous post, this is what I'm aiming for. (So I like gran cuvee
>> >> > champagne,
>> >> > OK?) Plus, I'm willing to learn how to get what I envision.
>> >>
>> >> Right - I think Murray was saying, and I would agree, that the method
>> >> you're
>> >> talking about isn't a good way to learn what you need to know to be
>> >> able
>> >> to
>> >> produce something like that layout - eventually.
>> >>
>> >> It's as if I'm a beginning musician, and I want to play like a certain
>> >> master virtuoso, so I buy his CD and look for a "for dummies" lesson
>> >> to
>> >> show
>> >> me how to sound like that. That's just not the way to get from Point A
>> >> to
>> >> Point B. :-)
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Patty Ayers | www.WebDevBiz.com
>> >> Free Articles on the Business of Web Development
>> >> Web Design Contract, Estimate Request Form, Estimate Worksheet
>> >> --
>> >>
>> >> Isn't that the
>> >> > foundation for application of ideas?
>> >> >
>> >> > Still, I will definitely look into the sites and templates you
>> >> > suggested.
>> >> > In
>> >> > addition, do you know of a good online CSS tutorial?
>> >> >
>> >> > A new issue cropped up today with publishing. I'm off to search the
>> >> > forum
>> >> > for this bug before I bug you guys again.
>> >> >
>> >> > Many thanks.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > "Murray" wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> That's the stylesheet you are going to use?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I'd say that this is the wrong approach. You can't just grab a
>> >> >> sophisticated
>> >> >> stylesheet from a site, and expect your page to magically look like
>> >> >> that
>> >> >> page's layout.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I would take a different approach completely. Consider a pre-built
>> >> >> template
>> >> >> for your site - one that comes with a fully documented stylesheet,
>> >> >> and
>> >> >> with
>> >> >> instructions on how to use it. Take a look at these two sites
>> >> >> (they
>> >> >> are
>> >> >> Dreamweaver-centric, but there's no reason why those layouts
>> >> >> wouldn't
>> >> >> work
>> >> >> for you in FP):
>> >> >>
>> >> >> http://www.projectseven.com/ (look for the PagePack layouts -
>> >> >> probably
>> >> >> the
>> >> >> best documentation in the business)
>> >> >> http://dreamweaverresources.com/
>> >> >>
>> >> >> --
>> >> >> Murray
>> >> >> --------------
>> >> >> MVP FrontPage
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> "Cabby" <BassInk(nospam)@aol.com> wrote in message
>> >> >> news:F5270D77-1DA9-4E35-A737-C3BC5948BACA@microsoft.com...
>> >> >> > Can do. This is the look I'm headed for, it's one of the Zen
>> >> >> > Garden
>> >> >> > samples:
>> >> >> > Like the Sea.
>> >> >> > http://www.csszengarden.com/?cssfile=/163/163.css&page=3
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > "Murray" wrote:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> A good way to get started would be to show me the CSS page. Can
>> >> >> >> you
>> >> >> >> do
>> >> >> >> that?
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> --
>> >> >> >> Murray
>> >> >> >> --------------
>> >> >> >> MVP FrontPage
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> "Cabby" <BassInk(nospam)@aol.com> wrote in message
>> >> >> >> news:576EBB72-05B3-4655-A044-86EEB9B8E58F@microsoft.com...
>> >> >> >> > Cabby here again. So I have a blank white page in a pristine
>> >> >> >> > and
>> >> >> >> > unpublished
>> >> >> >> > website. I have a CSS design script I want to use.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > How do I get started.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > Is there a good, easy to understand for dummies, free, web
>> >> >> >> > tutorial
>> >> >> >> > or
>> >> >> >> > informational article that you can point me to?
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > Or you could hold my hand, step by step. ;-)
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>>
>>
>>



Re: CSS For Dummies by BassInk(nospam)

BassInk(nospam)
Sun Jun 25 20:12:01 CDT 2006

No beer for me; Australian shiraz.

I downloaded Expression Web Designer on Friday. I'm getting into it and
hoping to post some results this week. EWD is to FP what Windows 3.0 did for
PCs.

"Murray" wrote:

> No beer, though.... 8)
>
> --
> Murray
> --------------
> MVP Front Page
>
>
> "Cabby" <BassInk(nospam)@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:DCEB8E64-3D58-4E88-9191-7BFD15BD9B56@microsoft.com...
> > Thanks again, Murray. I'll check these out after tonight's movie and
> > pizza.
> >
> > "Murray" wrote:
> >
> >> http://www.projectseven.com/tutorials/css/qdmacfly/index.htm
> >> http://www.macromedia.com/devnet/mx/dreamweaver/css.html
> >> http://www.macromedia.com/devnet/dreamweaver/articles/tableless_layout_dw8.html
> >> http://www.macromedia.com/devnet/dreamweaver/articles/css_concepts.html
> >>
> >> Again, DW oriented, but the concepts and notions are platform agnostic.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Murray
> >> --------------
> >> MVP Front Page
> >>
> >>
> >> "Cabby" <BassInk(nospam)@aol.com> wrote in message
> >> news:BE40AA94-59E1-46E4-9413-977367971B05@microsoft.com...
> >> > P@tty~Your musical metaphor is excellent. But still, I'm not asking to
> >> > replicate this exact design, nor for my site to have the sophistication
> >> > it
> >> > achieves. It's the LOOK that I want to aim for.
> >> >
> >> > The wannabee musician might buy the CD and the Dummies book and wonder
> >> > why
> >> > they don't sound like James Galway after the first session. But the
> >> > serious
> >> > musician begins as a dummy, but they seek professionals (like you guys
> >> > here)
> >> > to learn from, and then practice, practice, practice. That's what I'm
> >> > willing
> >> > to do. I'm not looking to be a Zen Garden designer overnight. (If ever
> >> > ;-)
> >> > I
> >> > just want a clean, sophisticated design that synthesizes the aspects of
> >> > my
> >> > business.
> >> >
> >> > In my original post, I did ask if anyone could suggest a good, online
> >> > tutorial for learning CSS. Any recommendations? And many thanks.
> >> >
> >> > "P@tty Ayers" wrote:
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> "Cabby" <BassInk(nospam)@aol.com> wrote in message
> >> >> news:9A17A963-8EB8-4392-BEFD-67CCB3C50C53@microsoft.com...
> >> >> > Truly, Murray, I'm not a wannabee magician. I know Zen Garden sites
> >> >> > are
> >> >> > not
> >> >> > templates, only guides that give the css for example. It's like I
> >> >> > said
> >> >> > in
> >> >> > my
> >> >> > previous post, this is what I'm aiming for. (So I like gran cuvee
> >> >> > champagne,
> >> >> > OK?) Plus, I'm willing to learn how to get what I envision.
> >> >>
> >> >> Right - I think Murray was saying, and I would agree, that the method
> >> >> you're
> >> >> talking about isn't a good way to learn what you need to know to be
> >> >> able
> >> >> to
> >> >> produce something like that layout - eventually.
> >> >>
> >> >> It's as if I'm a beginning musician, and I want to play like a certain
> >> >> master virtuoso, so I buy his CD and look for a "for dummies" lesson
> >> >> to
> >> >> show
> >> >> me how to sound like that. That's just not the way to get from Point A
> >> >> to
> >> >> Point B. :-)
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> --
> >> >> Patty Ayers | www.WebDevBiz.com
> >> >> Free Articles on the Business of Web Development
> >> >> Web Design Contract, Estimate Request Form, Estimate Worksheet
> >> >> --
> >> >>
> >> >> Isn't that the
> >> >> > foundation for application of ideas?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Still, I will definitely look into the sites and templates you
> >> >> > suggested.
> >> >> > In
> >> >> > addition, do you know of a good online CSS tutorial?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > A new issue cropped up today with publishing. I'm off to search the
> >> >> > forum
> >> >> > for this bug before I bug you guys again.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Many thanks.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > "Murray" wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> That's the stylesheet you are going to use?
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> I'd say that this is the wrong approach. You can't just grab a
> >> >> >> sophisticated
> >> >> >> stylesheet from a site, and expect your page to magically look like
> >> >> >> that
> >> >> >> page's layout.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> I would take a different approach completely. Consider a pre-built
> >> >> >> template
> >> >> >> for your site - one that comes with a fully documented stylesheet,
> >> >> >> and
> >> >> >> with
> >> >> >> instructions on how to use it. Take a look at these two sites
> >> >> >> (they
> >> >> >> are
> >> >> >> Dreamweaver-centric, but there's no reason why those layouts
> >> >> >> wouldn't
> >> >> >> work
> >> >> >> for you in FP):
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> http://www.projectseven.com/ (look for the PagePack layouts -
> >> >> >> probably
> >> >> >> the
> >> >> >> best documentation in the business)
> >> >> >> http://dreamweaverresources.com/
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> --
> >> >> >> Murray
> >> >> >> --------------
> >> >> >> MVP FrontPage
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> "Cabby" <BassInk(nospam)@aol.com> wrote in message
> >> >> >> news:F5270D77-1DA9-4E35-A737-C3BC5948BACA@microsoft.com...
> >> >> >> > Can do. This is the look I'm headed for, it's one of the Zen
> >> >> >> > Garden
> >> >> >> > samples:
> >> >> >> > Like the Sea.
> >> >> >> > http://www.csszengarden.com/?cssfile=/163/163.css&page=3
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > "Murray" wrote:
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> A good way to get started would be to show me the CSS page. Can
> >> >> >> >> you
> >> >> >> >> do
> >> >> >> >> that?
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> --
> >> >> >> >> Murray
> >> >> >> >> --------------
> >> >> >> >> MVP FrontPage
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> "Cabby" <BassInk(nospam)@aol.com> wrote in message
> >> >> >> >> news:576EBB72-05B3-4655-A044-86EEB9B8E58F@microsoft.com...
> >> >> >> >> > Cabby here again. So I have a blank white page in a pristine
> >> >> >> >> > and
> >> >> >> >> > unpublished
> >> >> >> >> > website. I have a CSS design script I want to use.
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > How do I get started.
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > Is there a good, easy to understand for dummies, free, web
> >> >> >> >> > tutorial
> >> >> >> >> > or
> >> >> >> >> > informational article that you can point me to?
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > Or you could hold my hand, step by step. ;-)
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
>
>
>

Re: CSS For Dummies by P

P
Thu Jun 29 10:13:57 CDT 2006


"Cabby" <BassInk(nospam)@aol.com> wrote in message
news:AD7644AF-C8D0-4A2D-9C44-300D676E3EC8@microsoft.com...
> No beer for me; Australian shiraz.
>
> I downloaded Expression Web Designer on Friday. I'm getting into it and
> hoping to post some results this week. EWD is to FP what Windows 3.0 did
> for
> PCs.

Brought it out of the dark ages to begin to somewhat catch up with
competitors? :-D


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