I am looking for a beginner's book to learn VB script for the Web, FrontPage
and DB development. Is there a definitive book anyone can recommend? Thanks.

Re: Definitive Book for VB Scripting by Jon

Jon
Fri Dec 24 10:48:27 CST 2004

Hi,
You won't go far wrong with Beginning Active Server Pages from Wrox
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0764543636

As a suggestion though if you've programmed before you might want to forget
asp/vb script and go right to asp.net. ASP is hanging on because it's so
easy but it's future might not be so bright. Have a look at www.asp.net

--
Cheers,
Jon
Microsoft MVP

"Bill M." <none> wrote in message
news:%232wtLtc6EHA.2552@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
>I am looking for a beginner's book to learn VB script for the Web,
>FrontPage
> and DB development. Is there a definitive book anyone can recommend?
> Thanks.
>
>



Re: Definitive Book for VB Scripting by Bob

Bob
Fri Dec 24 11:23:24 CST 2004

I too am looking to learn a scripting language. I have decades of
programming experience in many different languages. I was thinking about
learning Java Script - only because I thought it was "understood" by more
browsers. What browsers can read asp.net ?


"Jon Spivey" <jons@mvps.org> wrote in message
news:ecDclhd6EHA.2196@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
> Hi,
> You won't go far wrong with Beginning Active Server Pages from Wrox
> http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0764543636
>
> As a suggestion though if you've programmed before you might want to
> forget asp/vb script and go right to asp.net. ASP is hanging on because
> it's so easy but it's future might not be so bright. Have a look at
> www.asp.net
>
> --
> Cheers,
> Jon
> Microsoft MVP
>
> "Bill M." <none> wrote in message
> news:%232wtLtc6EHA.2552@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
>>I am looking for a beginner's book to learn VB script for the Web,
>>FrontPage
>> and DB development. Is there a definitive book anyone can recommend?
>> Thanks.
>>
>>
>
>



Re: Definitive Book for VB Scripting by Bill

Bill
Fri Dec 24 11:46:46 CST 2004

Thanks for the suggestion, Jon. However, and believe it or not, I own that
book and ASP for Dummies. I need something more elementary for now, and
thought possibly, an entry level VB script book might get me back on track.

I have to begin to learn a programming language...or lose my job. Everything
here now is turning to developing databases to run Web sites and if I can't
learn it on my own I will have to take some sort of college course. I am
hoping to learn it without attending any classes.

"Jon Spivey" <jons@mvps.org> wrote in message
news:ecDclhd6EHA.2196@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
> Hi,
> You won't go far wrong with Beginning Active Server Pages from Wrox
> http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0764543636
>
> As a suggestion though if you've programmed before you might want to
forget
> asp/vb script and go right to asp.net. ASP is hanging on because it's so
> easy but it's future might not be so bright. Have a look at www.asp.net
>
> --
> Cheers,
> Jon
> Microsoft MVP
>
> "Bill M." <none> wrote in message
> news:%232wtLtc6EHA.2552@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> >I am looking for a beginner's book to learn VB script for the Web,
> >FrontPage
> > and DB development. Is there a definitive book anyone can recommend?
> > Thanks.
> >
> >
>
>



Re: Definitive Book for VB Scripting by Ronx

Ronx
Fri Dec 24 11:48:03 CST 2004

None.

asp.NET (along with ASP, PHP, Perl etc.) is a server-side technology - all
the code is processed on the server and HTML is delivered to the browser.

IMO JavaScript is a requirement for web development, since almost every
browser can understand it.

--
Ron Symonds (Microsoft MVP - FrontPage)
Reply only to group - emails will be deleted unread.


"Bob Richardson" <bobr at whidbey dot com> wrote in message
news:tvqdnXeU7MoRzVHcRVn-pw@whidbeytel.com...
>I too am looking to learn a scripting language. I have decades of
>programming experience in many different languages. I was thinking about
>learning Java Script - only because I thought it was "understood" by more
>browsers. What browsers can read asp.net ?
>
>
> "Jon Spivey" <jons@mvps.org> wrote in message
> news:ecDclhd6EHA.2196@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
>> Hi,
>> You won't go far wrong with Beginning Active Server Pages from Wrox
>> http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0764543636
>>
>> As a suggestion though if you've programmed before you might want to
>> forget asp/vb script and go right to asp.net. ASP is hanging on because
>> it's so easy but it's future might not be so bright. Have a look at
>> www.asp.net
>>
>> --
>> Cheers,
>> Jon
>> Microsoft MVP
>>
>> "Bill M." <none> wrote in message
>> news:%232wtLtc6EHA.2552@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
>>>I am looking for a beginner's book to learn VB script for the Web,
>>>FrontPage
>>> and DB development. Is there a definitive book anyone can recommend?
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>



Re: Definitive Book for VB Scripting by Jon

Jon
Fri Dec 24 11:55:05 CST 2004

Hi Bob,

None. ASP/ASP.net/ VB Script are server side languages javascript is client
side. On the web we program 2 ways - one on the server to build the page
itself, ie get data from a database, respond to a form etc and then spit
html to the browser then client side script to do things like make
mouseover images, validate form data etc.

Traditionally there's been a distinct line between server side (the code
that sends the page to the browser - ASP/VB Script etc) and client side (the
code that responds to user actions when the page is in the browser -
javascript) but ASP.net blurs this line quite nicely. As you have a
programming background I'd suggest you should look at asp.net, there's 2
main languages - if you're VB you'll walk right into vb.net if you're from a
C/C++ background C# will be easy for you. You'll also need some javascript
but this is just a couple of hours work to learn how to do anything you
need. If you're from a C background javascript will be the easiest thing
you've done.

--
Cheers,
Jon
Microsoft MVP

"Bob Richardson" <bobr at whidbey dot com> wrote in message
news:tvqdnXeU7MoRzVHcRVn-pw@whidbeytel.com...
>I too am looking to learn a scripting language. I have decades of
>programming experience in many different languages. I was thinking about
>learning Java Script - only because I thought it was "understood" by more
>browsers. What browsers can read asp.net ?
>
>
> "Jon Spivey" <jons@mvps.org> wrote in message
> news:ecDclhd6EHA.2196@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
>> Hi,
>> You won't go far wrong with Beginning Active Server Pages from Wrox
>> http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0764543636
>>
>> As a suggestion though if you've programmed before you might want to
>> forget asp/vb script and go right to asp.net. ASP is hanging on because
>> it's so easy but it's future might not be so bright. Have a look at
>> www.asp.net
>>
>> --
>> Cheers,
>> Jon
>> Microsoft MVP
>>
>> "Bill M." <none> wrote in message
>> news:%232wtLtc6EHA.2552@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
>>>I am looking for a beginner's book to learn VB script for the Web,
>>>FrontPage
>>> and DB development. Is there a definitive book anyone can recommend?
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>



Re: Definitive Book for VB Scripting by Jon

Jon
Fri Dec 24 12:20:56 CST 2004

Bill,
I'm not trying to be funny but are you sure programming is what you want to
do? VB Script is a very simple language and ASP for dummies makes the job as
easy as it's going to be (I learnt from that book myself). Most people that
are successful as programmers start with a book then find they enjoy it and
teach themselves - if you don't enjoy programming you'll probably have a
hard time succeeding.

You're right that there's plenty of action in database driven sites but
there's many other ways to profit from the web -
graphics/design/marketing/writing contect etc The best database driven site
isn't worth a hill of beans if it doesn't get traffic - maybe look from the
marketing side of the fence rather than the technical.

--
Cheers,
Jon
Microsoft MVP

"Bill M." <none> wrote in message
news:u3oDTCe6EHA.3376@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> Thanks for the suggestion, Jon. However, and believe it or not, I own that
> book and ASP for Dummies. I need something more elementary for now, and
> thought possibly, an entry level VB script book might get me back on
> track.
>
> I have to begin to learn a programming language...or lose my job.
> Everything
> here now is turning to developing databases to run Web sites and if I
> can't
> learn it on my own I will have to take some sort of college course. I am
> hoping to learn it without attending any classes.
>
> "Jon Spivey" <jons@mvps.org> wrote in message
> news:ecDclhd6EHA.2196@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
>> Hi,
>> You won't go far wrong with Beginning Active Server Pages from Wrox
>> http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0764543636
>>
>> As a suggestion though if you've programmed before you might want to
> forget
>> asp/vb script and go right to asp.net. ASP is hanging on because it's so
>> easy but it's future might not be so bright. Have a look at www.asp.net
>>
>> --
>> Cheers,
>> Jon
>> Microsoft MVP
>>
>> "Bill M." <none> wrote in message
>> news:%232wtLtc6EHA.2552@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
>> >I am looking for a beginner's book to learn VB script for the Web,
>> >FrontPage
>> > and DB development. Is there a definitive book anyone can recommend?
>> > Thanks.
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>



Re: Definitive Book for VB Scripting by Tom

Tom
Fri Dec 24 14:50:02 CST 2004

Hi Bill......

You said......

> I have to begin to learn a programming language...or lose my job.

Is this from your boss???? Or is this just what you "feel" ?

If it is from your boss I would lobby for some help in getting some
training. If you are on your own you are going to need to roll your sleeves
up and work through the books you've mentioned. The dummies series, as Jon
has alluded, is about as easy as it gets BUT there are also LOTS of online
tutorials. For instance.... asp101.com is a great site. If you do a google
search your will find lots of tutorials for scripting languages of all
types. Perhaps they might work where a book failed.

>Everything here now is turning to developing databases to run Web sites and
>if I can't
> learn it on my own I will have to take some sort of college course. I am
> hoping to learn it without attending any classes.

If you can't get it on your own a class.... or finding an experienced
programmer to mentor you... is the way to go!!!!!!

One word...... as your company moves to database work..... you will need to
learn the basics of good database design, etc. Again..... lot's of resources
out there for that.

As is also suggested here..... if you can get your feet wet with asp ( you
might also look at php) don't stay there too long. ASP.NET will be the tail
that wags the dog in the future.

Just don't get discouraged! When you look at it all...... it is a big nut to
crack. But like the old saying about eating an elephant.... you do it one
byte < g > at a time!!!!

You can do it!!!!

Best to you.......
Tom Gahagan



Re: Definitive Book for VB Scripting by Bill

Bill
Fri Dec 24 16:08:57 CST 2004

Tom, thanks for the encouragement. To answer your question I am feeling the
heat. I am going to restart with ASP for Dummies. If I can't get it from
Dummies some college classes will start soon after the new year. There are
bound to be some students around that I could learn from. I just wasn't sure
if Dummies was the right place to start over or if I should take a Visual
Basic course first. I am now thinking that if I knew VB, maybe ASP would be
easier for me to learn.


"Tom Gahagan" <tgahagan@charter.net> wrote in message
news:ud5vWof6EHA.2608@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> Hi Bill......
>
> You said......
>
> > I have to begin to learn a programming language...or lose my job.
>
> Is this from your boss???? Or is this just what you "feel" ?
>
> If it is from your boss I would lobby for some help in getting some
> training. If you are on your own you are going to need to roll your
sleeves
> up and work through the books you've mentioned. The dummies series, as Jon
> has alluded, is about as easy as it gets BUT there are also LOTS of online
> tutorials. For instance.... asp101.com is a great site. If you do a google
> search your will find lots of tutorials for scripting languages of all
> types. Perhaps they might work where a book failed.
>
> >Everything here now is turning to developing databases to run Web sites
and
> >if I can't
> > learn it on my own I will have to take some sort of college course. I am
> > hoping to learn it without attending any classes.
>
> If you can't get it on your own a class.... or finding an experienced
> programmer to mentor you... is the way to go!!!!!!
>
> One word...... as your company moves to database work..... you will need
to
> learn the basics of good database design, etc. Again..... lot's of
resources
> out there for that.
>
> As is also suggested here..... if you can get your feet wet with asp (
you
> might also look at php) don't stay there too long. ASP.NET will be the
tail
> that wags the dog in the future.
>
> Just don't get discouraged! When you look at it all...... it is a big nut
to
> crack. But like the old saying about eating an elephant.... you do it one
> byte < g > at a time!!!!
>
> You can do it!!!!
>
> Best to you.......
> Tom Gahagan
>
>



Re: Definitive Book for VB Scripting by Tom

Tom
Fri Dec 24 17:05:03 CST 2004

I would almost BET that your local tech collage will have a course in VB....
and/or other .net languages..... perhaps even asp!!!!

They might also have some intro to programming courses and database stuff to
help you fill in the gaps. I'm mostly self taught but I've taken some
courses here and there and found them all a lot of fun. Good luck to
you......

Tom G

"Bill M." <none> wrote in message
news:%23jAezUg6EHA.3908@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> Tom, thanks for the encouragement. To answer your question I am feeling
> the
> heat. I am going to restart with ASP for Dummies. If I can't get it from
> Dummies some college classes will start soon after the new year. There are
> bound to be some students around that I could learn from. I just wasn't
> sure
> if Dummies was the right place to start over or if I should take a Visual
> Basic course first. I am now thinking that if I knew VB, maybe ASP would
> be
> easier for me to learn.
>
>
> "Tom Gahagan" <tgahagan@charter.net> wrote in message
> news:ud5vWof6EHA.2608@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>> Hi Bill......
>>
>> You said......
>>
>> > I have to begin to learn a programming language...or lose my job.
>>
>> Is this from your boss???? Or is this just what you "feel" ?
>>
>> If it is from your boss I would lobby for some help in getting some
>> training. If you are on your own you are going to need to roll your
> sleeves
>> up and work through the books you've mentioned. The dummies series, as
>> Jon
>> has alluded, is about as easy as it gets BUT there are also LOTS of
>> online
>> tutorials. For instance.... asp101.com is a great site. If you do a
>> google
>> search your will find lots of tutorials for scripting languages of all
>> types. Perhaps they might work where a book failed.
>>
>> >Everything here now is turning to developing databases to run Web sites
> and
>> >if I can't
>> > learn it on my own I will have to take some sort of college course. I
>> > am
>> > hoping to learn it without attending any classes.
>>
>> If you can't get it on your own a class.... or finding an experienced
>> programmer to mentor you... is the way to go!!!!!!
>>
>> One word...... as your company moves to database work..... you will need
> to
>> learn the basics of good database design, etc. Again..... lot's of
> resources
>> out there for that.
>>
>> As is also suggested here..... if you can get your feet wet with asp (
> you
>> might also look at php) don't stay there too long. ASP.NET will be the
> tail
>> that wags the dog in the future.
>>
>> Just don't get discouraged! When you look at it all...... it is a big nut
> to
>> crack. But like the old saying about eating an elephant.... you do it one
>> byte < g > at a time!!!!
>>
>> You can do it!!!!
>>
>> Best to you.......
>> Tom Gahagan
>>
>>
>
>



Re: Definitive Book for VB Scripting by Steve

Steve
Fri Dec 24 18:40:01 CST 2004

Bill,

Both FP 2002 and 2003 have a great VB scripting editor. ( caveat, I also have Visual Studio
installed, and I'm not sure if they interact. I don't "Think" so ) I think you just need to install
the script editor. ( also called Macro editor )
Also, there are several websites out there have countless VB script examples.

If you're familiar with a scripting language such as javascript for example, then you should be able
to pick up VB fairly easily.

Like anything, once you start to figure out the syntax, it will just start to "click"

Also, when I was tinkering, I did a lot of scripting using Notepad, and then I would just run the
scripts.
One good thing about VB is that if you try to run it, the scripting host checks the syntax of the
entire script before it executes it, and if there's an error it will *not* run the script.

I guess what I'm trying to say is "don't make it harder than it is."

Also, there's a neat little "tool" some of the guys at Microsoft put together named Tweakomatic,
which is basically a VB version of TweakUI. It shows you the actual VB Script used to do the
functions. It is geared towards the operating system, but to me it was a great "learning tool."

Available here:

http://www.microsoft.com/technet/scriptcenter/tools/twkmatic.mspx


;-)

Good luck.


--
Steve Easton
Microsoft MVP FrontPage
95isalive
This site is best viewed............
.......................with a computer

"Bill M." <none> wrote in message news:%23jAezUg6EHA.3908@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> Tom, thanks for the encouragement. To answer your question I am feeling the
> heat. I am going to restart with ASP for Dummies. If I can't get it from
> Dummies some college classes will start soon after the new year. There are
> bound to be some students around that I could learn from. I just wasn't sure
> if Dummies was the right place to start over or if I should take a Visual
> Basic course first. I am now thinking that if I knew VB, maybe ASP would be
> easier for me to learn.
>
>
> "Tom Gahagan" <tgahagan@charter.net> wrote in message
> news:ud5vWof6EHA.2608@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> > Hi Bill......
> >
> > You said......
> >
> > > I have to begin to learn a programming language...or lose my job.
> >
> > Is this from your boss???? Or is this just what you "feel" ?
> >
> > If it is from your boss I would lobby for some help in getting some
> > training. If you are on your own you are going to need to roll your
> sleeves
> > up and work through the books you've mentioned. The dummies series, as Jon
> > has alluded, is about as easy as it gets BUT there are also LOTS of online
> > tutorials. For instance.... asp101.com is a great site. If you do a google
> > search your will find lots of tutorials for scripting languages of all
> > types. Perhaps they might work where a book failed.
> >
> > >Everything here now is turning to developing databases to run Web sites
> and
> > >if I can't
> > > learn it on my own I will have to take some sort of college course. I am
> > > hoping to learn it without attending any classes.
> >
> > If you can't get it on your own a class.... or finding an experienced
> > programmer to mentor you... is the way to go!!!!!!
> >
> > One word...... as your company moves to database work..... you will need
> to
> > learn the basics of good database design, etc. Again..... lot's of
> resources
> > out there for that.
> >
> > As is also suggested here..... if you can get your feet wet with asp (
> you
> > might also look at php) don't stay there too long. ASP.NET will be the
> tail
> > that wags the dog in the future.
> >
> > Just don't get discouraged! When you look at it all...... it is a big nut
> to
> > crack. But like the old saying about eating an elephant.... you do it one
> > byte < g > at a time!!!!
> >
> > You can do it!!!!
> >
> > Best to you.......
> > Tom Gahagan
> >
> >
>
>



Re: Definitive Book for VB Scripting by Bill

Bill
Fri Dec 24 21:41:28 CST 2004

Thanks Steve. I really appreciate all the encouragement from everyone here.
Tweakomatic looks interesting and maybe it will help. Do you think VB Script
is either mandatory or helpful before trying to learn ASP, or not necessary?


"Steve Easton" <admin@95isalive.com> wrote in message
news:%23vbGqph6EHA.1120@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
> Bill,
>
> Both FP 2002 and 2003 have a great VB scripting editor. ( caveat, I also
have Visual Studio
> installed, and I'm not sure if they interact. I don't "Think" so ) I
think you just need to install
> the script editor. ( also called Macro editor )
> Also, there are several websites out there have countless VB script
examples.
>
> If you're familiar with a scripting language such as javascript for
example, then you should be able
> to pick up VB fairly easily.
>
> Like anything, once you start to figure out the syntax, it will just start
to "click"
>
> Also, when I was tinkering, I did a lot of scripting using Notepad, and
then I would just run the
> scripts.
> One good thing about VB is that if you try to run it, the scripting host
checks the syntax of the
> entire script before it executes it, and if there's an error it will *not*
run the script.
>
> I guess what I'm trying to say is "don't make it harder than it is."
>
> Also, there's a neat little "tool" some of the guys at Microsoft put
together named Tweakomatic,
> which is basically a VB version of TweakUI. It shows you the actual VB
Script used to do the
> functions. It is geared towards the operating system, but to me it was a
great "learning tool."
>
> Available here:
>
> http://www.microsoft.com/technet/scriptcenter/tools/twkmatic.mspx
>
>
> ;-)
>
> Good luck.
>
>
> --
> Steve Easton
> Microsoft MVP FrontPage
> 95isalive
> This site is best viewed............
> .......................with a computer
>
> "Bill M." <none> wrote in message
news:%23jAezUg6EHA.3908@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> > Tom, thanks for the encouragement. To answer your question I am feeling
the
> > heat. I am going to restart with ASP for Dummies. If I can't get it from
> > Dummies some college classes will start soon after the new year. There
are
> > bound to be some students around that I could learn from. I just wasn't
sure
> > if Dummies was the right place to start over or if I should take a
Visual
> > Basic course first. I am now thinking that if I knew VB, maybe ASP would
be
> > easier for me to learn.
> >
> >
> > "Tom Gahagan" <tgahagan@charter.net> wrote in message
> > news:ud5vWof6EHA.2608@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> > > Hi Bill......
> > >
> > > You said......
> > >
> > > > I have to begin to learn a programming language...or lose my job.
> > >
> > > Is this from your boss???? Or is this just what you "feel" ?
> > >
> > > If it is from your boss I would lobby for some help in getting some
> > > training. If you are on your own you are going to need to roll your
> > sleeves
> > > up and work through the books you've mentioned. The dummies series, as
Jon
> > > has alluded, is about as easy as it gets BUT there are also LOTS of
online
> > > tutorials. For instance.... asp101.com is a great site. If you do a
google
> > > search your will find lots of tutorials for scripting languages of all
> > > types. Perhaps they might work where a book failed.
> > >
> > > >Everything here now is turning to developing databases to run Web
sites
> > and
> > > >if I can't
> > > > learn it on my own I will have to take some sort of college course.
I am
> > > > hoping to learn it without attending any classes.
> > >
> > > If you can't get it on your own a class.... or finding an experienced
> > > programmer to mentor you... is the way to go!!!!!!
> > >
> > > One word...... as your company moves to database work..... you will
need
> > to
> > > learn the basics of good database design, etc. Again..... lot's of
> > resources
> > > out there for that.
> > >
> > > As is also suggested here..... if you can get your feet wet with asp
(
> > you
> > > might also look at php) don't stay there too long. ASP.NET will be the
> > tail
> > > that wags the dog in the future.
> > >
> > > Just don't get discouraged! When you look at it all...... it is a big
nut
> > to
> > > crack. But like the old saying about eating an elephant.... you do it
one
> > > byte < g > at a time!!!!
> > >
> > > You can do it!!!!
> > >
> > > Best to you.......
> > > Tom Gahagan
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>




Re: Definitive Book for VB Scripting by Steve

Steve
Sat Dec 25 10:27:50 CST 2004

I'm not "into" asp enough to give you a decent answer on that.

--
Steve Easton
Microsoft MVP FrontPage
95isalive
This site is best viewed............
.......................with a computer

"Bill M." <none> wrote in message news:OW6dmOj6EHA.1296@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> Thanks Steve. I really appreciate all the encouragement from everyone here.
> Tweakomatic looks interesting and maybe it will help. Do you think VB Script
> is either mandatory or helpful before trying to learn ASP, or not necessary?
>
>
> "Steve Easton" <admin@95isalive.com> wrote in message
> news:%23vbGqph6EHA.1120@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
> > Bill,
> >
> > Both FP 2002 and 2003 have a great VB scripting editor. ( caveat, I also
> have Visual Studio
> > installed, and I'm not sure if they interact. I don't "Think" so ) I
> think you just need to install
> > the script editor. ( also called Macro editor )
> > Also, there are several websites out there have countless VB script
> examples.
> >
> > If you're familiar with a scripting language such as javascript for
> example, then you should be able
> > to pick up VB fairly easily.
> >
> > Like anything, once you start to figure out the syntax, it will just start
> to "click"
> >
> > Also, when I was tinkering, I did a lot of scripting using Notepad, and
> then I would just run the
> > scripts.
> > One good thing about VB is that if you try to run it, the scripting host
> checks the syntax of the
> > entire script before it executes it, and if there's an error it will *not*
> run the script.
> >
> > I guess what I'm trying to say is "don't make it harder than it is."
> >
> > Also, there's a neat little "tool" some of the guys at Microsoft put
> together named Tweakomatic,
> > which is basically a VB version of TweakUI. It shows you the actual VB
> Script used to do the
> > functions. It is geared towards the operating system, but to me it was a
> great "learning tool."
> >
> > Available here:
> >
> > http://www.microsoft.com/technet/scriptcenter/tools/twkmatic.mspx
> >
> >
> > ;-)
> >
> > Good luck.
> >
> >
> > --
> > Steve Easton
> > Microsoft MVP FrontPage
> > 95isalive
> > This site is best viewed............
> > .......................with a computer
> >
> > "Bill M." <none> wrote in message
> news:%23jAezUg6EHA.3908@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> > > Tom, thanks for the encouragement. To answer your question I am feeling
> the
> > > heat. I am going to restart with ASP for Dummies. If I can't get it from
> > > Dummies some college classes will start soon after the new year. There
> are
> > > bound to be some students around that I could learn from. I just wasn't
> sure
> > > if Dummies was the right place to start over or if I should take a
> Visual
> > > Basic course first. I am now thinking that if I knew VB, maybe ASP would
> be
> > > easier for me to learn.
> > >
> > >
> > > "Tom Gahagan" <tgahagan@charter.net> wrote in message
> > > news:ud5vWof6EHA.2608@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> > > > Hi Bill......
> > > >
> > > > You said......
> > > >
> > > > > I have to begin to learn a programming language...or lose my job.
> > > >
> > > > Is this from your boss???? Or is this just what you "feel" ?
> > > >
> > > > If it is from your boss I would lobby for some help in getting some
> > > > training. If you are on your own you are going to need to roll your
> > > sleeves
> > > > up and work through the books you've mentioned. The dummies series, as
> Jon
> > > > has alluded, is about as easy as it gets BUT there are also LOTS of
> online
> > > > tutorials. For instance.... asp101.com is a great site. If you do a
> google
> > > > search your will find lots of tutorials for scripting languages of all
> > > > types. Perhaps they might work where a book failed.
> > > >
> > > > >Everything here now is turning to developing databases to run Web
> sites
> > > and
> > > > >if I can't
> > > > > learn it on my own I will have to take some sort of college course.
> I am
> > > > > hoping to learn it without attending any classes.
> > > >
> > > > If you can't get it on your own a class.... or finding an experienced
> > > > programmer to mentor you... is the way to go!!!!!!
> > > >
> > > > One word...... as your company moves to database work..... you will
> need
> > > to
> > > > learn the basics of good database design, etc. Again..... lot's of
> > > resources
> > > > out there for that.
> > > >
> > > > As is also suggested here..... if you can get your feet wet with asp
> (
> > > you
> > > > might also look at php) don't stay there too long. ASP.NET will be the
> > > tail
> > > > that wags the dog in the future.
> > > >
> > > > Just don't get discouraged! When you look at it all...... it is a big
> nut
> > > to
> > > > crack. But like the old saying about eating an elephant.... you do it
> one
> > > > byte < g > at a time!!!!
> > > >
> > > > You can do it!!!!
> > > >
> > > > Best to you.......
> > > > Tom Gahagan
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
>



Re: Definitive Book for VB Scripting by Tom

Tom
Sat Dec 25 10:47:11 CST 2004


>Do you think VB Script
> is either mandatory or helpful before trying to learn ASP, or not
> necessary?
>

Mandatory..... No...... helpful in that you are learning another scripting
language....and the more you learn the better off you are.... yes.

There is also a difference between vb scripting language and VB.net... it's
big plus sized brother! :)

By the way..... is your company hosting on a windows server?????? Not trying
to be condescending or anything but this is a pretty important point. If
they are on a Unix server then you need to be looking at the php scripting
language instead of asp. If you are on a windows server... then go for asp
or asp.net and vb. Since you have stated you are kind of under the gun I
thought you would not want to waste any time.

Best to you.......
Tom Gahagan



Re: Definitive Book for VB Scripting by Ronx

Ronx
Sat Dec 25 10:54:04 CST 2004

While ASP can be written in other languages, such as Perl and PHP, 99% of
ASP pages are written using VBScript.
Mandatory - No, but you must learn another language and find a server that
supports it (not many will).
Helpful - Definitely Yes

--
Ron Symonds (Microsoft MVP - FrontPage)
Reply only to group - emails will be deleted unread.


"Bill M." <none> wrote in message
news:OW6dmOj6EHA.1296@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> Thanks Steve. I really appreciate all the encouragement from everyone
> here.
> Tweakomatic looks interesting and maybe it will help. Do you think VB
> Script
> is either mandatory or helpful before trying to learn ASP, or not
> necessary?
>
>
> "Steve Easton" <admin@95isalive.com> wrote in message
> news:%23vbGqph6EHA.1120@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
>> Bill,
>>
>> Both FP 2002 and 2003 have a great VB scripting editor. ( caveat, I also
> have Visual Studio
>> installed, and I'm not sure if they interact. I don't "Think" so ) I
> think you just need to install
>> the script editor. ( also called Macro editor )
>> Also, there are several websites out there have countless VB script
> examples.
>>
>> If you're familiar with a scripting language such as javascript for
> example, then you should be able
>> to pick up VB fairly easily.
>>
>> Like anything, once you start to figure out the syntax, it will just
>> start
> to "click"
>>
>> Also, when I was tinkering, I did a lot of scripting using Notepad, and
> then I would just run the
>> scripts.
>> One good thing about VB is that if you try to run it, the scripting host
> checks the syntax of the
>> entire script before it executes it, and if there's an error it will
>> *not*
> run the script.
>>
>> I guess what I'm trying to say is "don't make it harder than it is."
>>
>> Also, there's a neat little "tool" some of the guys at Microsoft put
> together named Tweakomatic,
>> which is basically a VB version of TweakUI. It shows you the actual VB
> Script used to do the
>> functions. It is geared towards the operating system, but to me it was a
> great "learning tool."
>>
>> Available here:
>>
>> http://www.microsoft.com/technet/scriptcenter/tools/twkmatic.mspx
>>
>>
>> ;-)
>>
>> Good luck.
>>
>>
>> --
>> Steve Easton
>> Microsoft MVP FrontPage
>> 95isalive
>> This site is best viewed............
>> .......................with a computer
>>
>> "Bill M." <none> wrote in message
> news:%23jAezUg6EHA.3908@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
>> > Tom, thanks for the encouragement. To answer your question I am feeling
> the
>> > heat. I am going to restart with ASP for Dummies. If I can't get it
>> > from
>> > Dummies some college classes will start soon after the new year. There
> are
>> > bound to be some students around that I could learn from. I just wasn't
> sure
>> > if Dummies was the right place to start over or if I should take a
> Visual
>> > Basic course first. I am now thinking that if I knew VB, maybe ASP
>> > would
> be
>> > easier for me to learn.
>> >
>> >
>> > "Tom Gahagan" <tgahagan@charter.net> wrote in message
>> > news:ud5vWof6EHA.2608@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>> > > Hi Bill......
>> > >
>> > > You said......
>> > >
>> > > > I have to begin to learn a programming language...or lose my job.
>> > >
>> > > Is this from your boss???? Or is this just what you "feel" ?
>> > >
>> > > If it is from your boss I would lobby for some help in getting some
>> > > training. If you are on your own you are going to need to roll your
>> > sleeves
>> > > up and work through the books you've mentioned. The dummies series,
>> > > as
> Jon
>> > > has alluded, is about as easy as it gets BUT there are also LOTS of
> online
>> > > tutorials. For instance.... asp101.com is a great site. If you do a
> google
>> > > search your will find lots of tutorials for scripting languages of
>> > > all
>> > > types. Perhaps they might work where a book failed.
>> > >
>> > > >Everything here now is turning to developing databases to run Web
> sites
>> > and
>> > > >if I can't
>> > > > learn it on my own I will have to take some sort of college course.
> I am
>> > > > hoping to learn it without attending any classes.
>> > >
>> > > If you can't get it on your own a class.... or finding an experienced
>> > > programmer to mentor you... is the way to go!!!!!!
>> > >
>> > > One word...... as your company moves to database work..... you will
> need
>> > to
>> > > learn the basics of good database design, etc. Again..... lot's of
>> > resources
>> > > out there for that.
>> > >
>> > > As is also suggested here..... if you can get your feet wet with asp
> (
>> > you
>> > > might also look at php) don't stay there too long. ASP.NET will be
>> > > the
>> > tail
>> > > that wags the dog in the future.
>> > >
>> > > Just don't get discouraged! When you look at it all...... it is a big
> nut
>> > to
>> > > crack. But like the old saying about eating an elephant.... you do it
> one
>> > > byte < g > at a time!!!!
>> > >
>> > > You can do it!!!!
>> > >
>> > > Best to you.......
>> > > Tom Gahagan
>> > >
>> > >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>
>



Re: Definitive Book for VB Scripting by Bill

Bill
Sat Dec 25 12:33:06 CST 2004

We are on a Windows 2000 server. Based on that, should I pick up the Dummies
book I mentioned earlier and try to learn ASP from that or do I need to
first learn VB Script?
"Tom Gahagan" <tgahagan@charter.net> wrote in message
news:uoABSFq6EHA.2032@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>
> >Do you think VB Script
> > is either mandatory or helpful before trying to learn ASP, or not
> > necessary?
> >
>
> Mandatory..... No...... helpful in that you are learning another scripting
> language....and the more you learn the better off you are.... yes.
>
> There is also a difference between vb scripting language and VB.net...
it's
> big plus sized brother! :)
>
> By the way..... is your company hosting on a windows server?????? Not
trying
> to be condescending or anything but this is a pretty important point. If
> they are on a Unix server then you need to be looking at the php scripting
> language instead of asp. If you are on a windows server... then go for asp
> or asp.net and vb. Since you have stated you are kind of under the gun I
> thought you would not want to waste any time.
>
> Best to you.......
> Tom Gahagan
>
>



Re: Definitive Book for VB Scripting by Chris

Chris
Tue Dec 28 20:39:17 CST 2004

here's the thing;
ASP isn't a "language" but a platform. so if you want to use .asp pages on
your server you'll have to be able to know _some_ language. it's usually
either vbscript or jscript.

I think you'll need to start with the book you have and work up from there.
--
Chris Leeds,
Microsoft MVP-FrontPage

ContentSeed: great tool for web masters,
a fantastic convenience for site owners.
http://contentseed.com/
--
"Bill M." <none> wrote in message
news:OW6dmOj6EHA.1296@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> Thanks Steve. I really appreciate all the encouragement from everyone
here.
> Tweakomatic looks interesting and maybe it will help. Do you think VB
Script
> is either mandatory or helpful before trying to learn ASP, or not
necessary?
>
>
> "Steve Easton" <admin@95isalive.com> wrote in message
> news:%23vbGqph6EHA.1120@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
> > Bill,
> >
> > Both FP 2002 and 2003 have a great VB scripting editor. ( caveat, I
also
> have Visual Studio
> > installed, and I'm not sure if they interact. I don't "Think" so ) I
> think you just need to install
> > the script editor. ( also called Macro editor )
> > Also, there are several websites out there have countless VB script
> examples.
> >
> > If you're familiar with a scripting language such as javascript for
> example, then you should be able
> > to pick up VB fairly easily.
> >
> > Like anything, once you start to figure out the syntax, it will just
start
> to "click"
> >
> > Also, when I was tinkering, I did a lot of scripting using Notepad, and
> then I would just run the
> > scripts.
> > One good thing about VB is that if you try to run it, the scripting host
> checks the syntax of the
> > entire script before it executes it, and if there's an error it will
*not*
> run the script.
> >
> > I guess what I'm trying to say is "don't make it harder than it is."
> >
> > Also, there's a neat little "tool" some of the guys at Microsoft put
> together named Tweakomatic,
> > which is basically a VB version of TweakUI. It shows you the actual VB
> Script used to do the
> > functions. It is geared towards the operating system, but to me it was
a
> great "learning tool."
> >
> > Available here:
> >
> > http://www.microsoft.com/technet/scriptcenter/tools/twkmatic.mspx
> >
> >
> > ;-)
> >
> > Good luck.
> >
> >
> > --
> > Steve Easton
> > Microsoft MVP FrontPage
> > 95isalive
> > This site is best viewed............
> > .......................with a computer
> >
> > "Bill M." <none> wrote in message
> news:%23jAezUg6EHA.3908@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> > > Tom, thanks for the encouragement. To answer your question I am
feeling
> the
> > > heat. I am going to restart with ASP for Dummies. If I can't get it
from
> > > Dummies some college classes will start soon after the new year. There
> are
> > > bound to be some students around that I could learn from. I just
wasn't
> sure
> > > if Dummies was the right place to start over or if I should take a
> Visual
> > > Basic course first. I am now thinking that if I knew VB, maybe ASP
would
> be
> > > easier for me to learn.
> > >
> > >
> > > "Tom Gahagan" <tgahagan@charter.net> wrote in message
> > > news:ud5vWof6EHA.2608@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> > > > Hi Bill......
> > > >
> > > > You said......
> > > >
> > > > > I have to begin to learn a programming language...or lose my job.
> > > >
> > > > Is this from your boss???? Or is this just what you "feel" ?
> > > >
> > > > If it is from your boss I would lobby for some help in getting some
> > > > training. If you are on your own you are going to need to roll your
> > > sleeves
> > > > up and work through the books you've mentioned. The dummies series,
as
> Jon
> > > > has alluded, is about as easy as it gets BUT there are also LOTS of
> online
> > > > tutorials. For instance.... asp101.com is a great site. If you do a
> google
> > > > search your will find lots of tutorials for scripting languages of
all
> > > > types. Perhaps they might work where a book failed.
> > > >
> > > > >Everything here now is turning to developing databases to run Web
> sites
> > > and
> > > > >if I can't
> > > > > learn it on my own I will have to take some sort of college
course.
> I am
> > > > > hoping to learn it without attending any classes.
> > > >
> > > > If you can't get it on your own a class.... or finding an
experienced
> > > > programmer to mentor you... is the way to go!!!!!!
> > > >
> > > > One word...... as your company moves to database work..... you will
> need
> > > to
> > > > learn the basics of good database design, etc. Again..... lot's of
> > > resources
> > > > out there for that.
> > > >
> > > > As is also suggested here..... if you can get your feet wet with asp
> (
> > > you
> > > > might also look at php) don't stay there too long. ASP.NET will be
the
> > > tail
> > > > that wags the dog in the future.
> > > >
> > > > Just don't get discouraged! When you look at it all...... it is a
big
> nut
> > > to
> > > > crack. But like the old saying about eating an elephant.... you do
it
> one
> > > > byte < g > at a time!!!!
> > > >
> > > > You can do it!!!!
> > > >
> > > > Best to you.......
> > > > Tom Gahagan
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
>



Re: Definitive Book for VB Scripting by Bill

Bill
Tue Dec 28 23:23:19 CST 2004

Thanks for the suggestion. I hope you mean the Dummies book...if not I'm
done for!
"Chris Leeds, MVP-FrontPage" <Leeds@mvps.org> wrote in message
news:OKstZ%23U7EHA.936@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> here's the thing;
> ASP isn't a "language" but a platform. so if you want to use .asp pages
on
> your server you'll have to be able to know _some_ language. it's usually
> either vbscript or jscript.
>
> I think you'll need to start with the book you have and work up from
there.
> --
> Chris Leeds,
> Microsoft MVP-FrontPage
>
> ContentSeed: great tool for web masters,
> a fantastic convenience for site owners.
> http://contentseed.com/
> --
> "Bill M." <none> wrote in message
> news:OW6dmOj6EHA.1296@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> > Thanks Steve. I really appreciate all the encouragement from everyone
> here.
> > Tweakomatic looks interesting and maybe it will help. Do you think VB
> Script
> > is either mandatory or helpful before trying to learn ASP, or not
> necessary?
> >
> >
> > "Steve Easton" <admin@95isalive.com> wrote in message
> > news:%23vbGqph6EHA.1120@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
> > > Bill,
> > >
> > > Both FP 2002 and 2003 have a great VB scripting editor. ( caveat, I
> also
> > have Visual Studio
> > > installed, and I'm not sure if they interact. I don't "Think" so ) I
> > think you just need to install
> > > the script editor. ( also called Macro editor )
> > > Also, there are several websites out there have countless VB script
> > examples.
> > >
> > > If you're familiar with a scripting language such as javascript for
> > example, then you should be able
> > > to pick up VB fairly easily.
> > >
> > > Like anything, once you start to figure out the syntax, it will just
> start
> > to "click"
> > >
> > > Also, when I was tinkering, I did a lot of scripting using Notepad,
and
> > then I would just run the
> > > scripts.
> > > One good thing about VB is that if you try to run it, the scripting
host
> > checks the syntax of the
> > > entire script before it executes it, and if there's an error it will
> *not*
> > run the script.
> > >
> > > I guess what I'm trying to say is "don't make it harder than it is."
> > >
> > > Also, there's a neat little "tool" some of the guys at Microsoft put
> > together named Tweakomatic,
> > > which is basically a VB version of TweakUI. It shows you the actual
VB
> > Script used to do the
> > > functions. It is geared towards the operating system, but to me it
was
> a
> > great "learning tool."
> > >
> > > Available here:
> > >
> > > http://www.microsoft.com/technet/scriptcenter/tools/twkmatic.mspx
> > >
> > >
> > > ;-)
> > >
> > > Good luck.
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Steve Easton
> > > Microsoft MVP FrontPage
> > > 95isalive
> > > This site is best viewed............
> > > .......................with a computer
> > >
> > > "Bill M." <none> wrote in message
> > news:%23jAezUg6EHA.3908@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> > > > Tom, thanks for the encouragement. To answer your question I am
> feeling
> > the
> > > > heat. I am going to restart with ASP for Dummies. If I can't get it
> from
> > > > Dummies some college classes will start soon after the new year.
There
> > are
> > > > bound to be some students around that I could learn from. I just
> wasn't
> > sure
> > > > if Dummies was the right place to start over or if I should take a
> > Visual
> > > > Basic course first. I am now thinking that if I knew VB, maybe ASP
> would
> > be
> > > > easier for me to learn.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "Tom Gahagan" <tgahagan@charter.net> wrote in message
> > > > news:ud5vWof6EHA.2608@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> > > > > Hi Bill......
> > > > >
> > > > > You said......
> > > > >
> > > > > > I have to begin to learn a programming language...or lose my
job.
> > > > >
> > > > > Is this from your boss???? Or is this just what you "feel" ?
> > > > >
> > > > > If it is from your boss I would lobby for some help in getting
some
> > > > > training. If you are on your own you are going to need to roll
your
> > > > sleeves
> > > > > up and work through the books you've mentioned. The dummies
series,
> as
> > Jon
> > > > > has alluded, is about as easy as it gets BUT there are also LOTS
of
> > online
> > > > > tutorials. For instance.... asp101.com is a great site. If you do
a
> > google
> > > > > search your will find lots of tutorials for scripting languages of
> all
> > > > > types. Perhaps they might work where a book failed.
> > > > >
> > > > > >Everything here now is turning to developing databases to run Web
> > sites
> > > > and
> > > > > >if I can't
> > > > > > learn it on my own I will have to take some sort of college
> course.
> > I am
> > > > > > hoping to learn it without attending any classes.
> > > > >
> > > > > If you can't get it on your own a class.... or finding an
> experienced
> > > > > programmer to mentor you... is the way to go!!!!!!
> > > > >
> > > > > One word...... as your company moves to database work..... you
will
> > need
> > > > to
> > > > > learn the basics of good database design, etc. Again..... lot's of
> > > > resources
> > > > > out there for that.
> > > > >
> > > > > As is also suggested here..... if you can get your feet wet with
asp
> > (
> > > > you
> > > > > might also look at php) don't stay there too long. ASP.NET will be
> the
> > > > tail
> > > > > that wags the dog in the future.
> > > > >
> > > > > Just don't get discouraged! When you look at it all...... it is a
> big
> > nut
> > > > to
> > > > > crack. But like the old saying about eating an elephant.... you do
> it
> > one
> > > > > byte < g > at a time!!!!
> > > > >
> > > > > You can do it!!!!
> > > > >
> > > > > Best to you.......
> > > > > Tom Gahagan
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
>



Re: Definitive Book for VB Scripting by Chris

Chris
Wed Dec 29 08:32:14 CST 2004

it'd be a good place to start. there are also plenty of nice sites that
will teach you asp stuff. one off the top of my head is asp101.com

HTH

--
Chris Leeds,
Microsoft MVP-FrontPage

ContentSeed: great tool for web masters,
a fantastic convenience for site owners.
http://contentseed.com/
--
"Bill M." <none> wrote in message
news:#WxqIaW7EHA.3368@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> Thanks for the suggestion. I hope you mean the Dummies book...if not I'm
> done for!
> "Chris Leeds, MVP-FrontPage" <Leeds@mvps.org> wrote in message
> news:OKstZ%23U7EHA.936@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> > here's the thing;
> > ASP isn't a "language" but a platform. so if you want to use .asp pages
> on
> > your server you'll have to be able to know _some_ language. it's
usually
> > either vbscript or jscript.
> >
> > I think you'll need to start with the book you have and work up from
> there.
> > --
> > Chris Leeds,
> > Microsoft MVP-FrontPage
> >
> > ContentSeed: great tool for web masters,
> > a fantastic convenience for site owners.
> > http://contentseed.com/
> > --
> > "Bill M." <none> wrote in message
> > news:OW6dmOj6EHA.1296@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> > > Thanks Steve. I really appreciate all the encouragement from everyone
> > here.
> > > Tweakomatic looks interesting and maybe it will help. Do you think VB
> > Script
> > > is either mandatory or helpful before trying to learn ASP, or not
> > necessary?
> > >
> > >
> > > "Steve Easton" <admin@95isalive.com> wrote in message
> > > news:%23vbGqph6EHA.1120@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
> > > > Bill,
> > > >
> > > > Both FP 2002 and 2003 have a great VB scripting editor. ( caveat, I
> > also
> > > have Visual Studio
> > > > installed, and I'm not sure if they interact. I don't "Think" so )
I
> > > think you just need to install
> > > > the script editor. ( also called Macro editor )
> > > > Also, there are several websites out there have countless VB script
> > > examples.
> > > >
> > > > If you're familiar with a scripting language such as javascript for
> > > example, then you should be able
> > > > to pick up VB fairly easily.
> > > >
> > > > Like anything, once you start to figure out the syntax, it will just
> > start
> > > to "click"
> > > >
> > > > Also, when I was tinkering, I did a lot of scripting using Notepad,
> and
> > > then I would just run the
> > > > scripts.
> > > > One good thing about VB is that if you try to run it, the scripting
> host
> > > checks the syntax of the
> > > > entire script before it executes it, and if there's an error it will
> > *not*
> > > run the script.
> > > >
> > > > I guess what I'm trying to say is "don't make it harder than it is."
> > > >
> > > > Also, there's a neat little "tool" some of the guys at Microsoft put
> > > together named Tweakomatic,
> > > > which is basically a VB version of TweakUI. It shows you the actual
> VB
> > > Script used to do the
> > > > functions. It is geared towards the operating system, but to me it
> was
> > a
> > > great "learning tool."
> > > >
> > > > Available here:
> > > >
> > > > http://www.microsoft.com/technet/scriptcenter/tools/twkmatic.mspx
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ;-)
> > > >
> > > > Good luck.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Steve Easton
> > > > Microsoft MVP FrontPage
> > > > 95isalive
> > > > This site is best viewed............
> > > > .......................with a computer
> > > >
> > > > "Bill M." <none> wrote in message
> > > news:%23jAezUg6EHA.3908@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> > > > > Tom, thanks for the encouragement. To answer your question I am
> > feeling
> > > the
> > > > > heat. I am going to restart with ASP for Dummies. If I can't get
it
> > from
> > > > > Dummies some college classes will start soon after the new year.
> There
> > > are
> > > > > bound to be some students around that I could learn from. I just
> > wasn't
> > > sure
> > > > > if Dummies was the right place to start over or if I should take a
> > > Visual
> > > > > Basic course first. I am now thinking that if I knew VB, maybe ASP
> > would
> > > be
> > > > > easier for me to learn.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > "Tom Gahagan" <tgahagan@charter.net> wrote in message
> > > > > news:ud5vWof6EHA.2608@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> > > > > > Hi Bill......
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You said......
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > I have to begin to learn a programming language...or lose my
> job.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Is this from your boss???? Or is this just what you "feel" ?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If it is from your boss I would lobby for some help in getting
> some
> > > > > > training. If you are on your own you are going to need to roll
> your
> > > > > sleeves
> > > > > > up and work through the books you've mentioned. The dummies
> series,
> > as
> > > Jon
> > > > > > has alluded, is about as easy as it gets BUT there are also LOTS
> of
> > > online
> > > > > > tutorials. For instance.... asp101.com is a great site. If you
do
> a
> > > google
> > > > > > search your will find lots of tutorials for scripting languages
of
> > all
> > > > > > types. Perhaps they might work where a book failed.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >Everything here now is turning to developing databases to run
Web
> > > sites
> > > > > and
> > > > > > >if I can't
> > > > > > > learn it on my own I will have to take some sort of college
> > course.
> > > I am
> > > > > > > hoping to learn it without attending any classes.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If you can't get it on your own a class.... or finding an
> > experienced
> > > > > > programmer to mentor you... is the way to go!!!!!!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > One word...... as your company moves to database work..... you
> will
> > > need
> > > > > to
> > > > > > learn the basics of good database design, etc. Again..... lot's
of
> > > > > resources
> > > > > > out there for that.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > As is also suggested here..... if you can get your feet wet with
> asp
> > > (
> > > > > you
> > > > > > might also look at php) don't stay there too long. ASP.NET will
be
> > the
> > > > > tail
> > > > > > that wags the dog in the future.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Just don't get discouraged! When you look at it all...... it is
a
> > big
> > > nut
> > > > > to
> > > > > > crack. But like the old saying about eating an elephant.... you
do
> > it
> > > one
> > > > > > byte < g > at a time!!!!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You can do it!!!!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Best to you.......
> > > > > > Tom Gahagan
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>



Re: Definitive Book for VB Scripting by MD

MD
Thu Dec 30 05:52:13 CST 2004

Bill,

I'm with Jon on this. If you're having a hard time grasping the concepts in the Dummies book then it is possible that programming in
not in your nature. I consider myself fairly astute at programming but horrible at graphic design. I can grasp the concepts but I
just don't have the aptitude for it.

--
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"Bill M." <none> wrote in message news:%23jAezUg6EHA.3908@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> Tom, thanks for the encouragement. To answer your question I am feeling the
> heat. I am going to restart with ASP for Dummies. If I can't get it from
> Dummies some college classes will start soon after the new year. There are
> bound to be some students around that I could learn from. I just wasn't sure
> if Dummies was the right place to start over or if I should take a Visual
> Basic course first. I am now thinking that if I knew VB, maybe ASP would be
> easier for me to learn.
>
>
> "Tom Gahagan" <tgahagan@charter.net> wrote in message
> news:ud5vWof6EHA.2608@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>> Hi Bill......
>>
>> You said......
>>
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