I have created a web site using FP2003 and am planning on
using access databases for simple data storage and
queries. i was told that using FP2003 was not a good idea
and I should switch to visual Studio .Net. Is there any
reason why i should not us FP2003 and what are the
restrictions?
thanks.

Re: Access with FP2003 or VB ..Net by Tom

Tom
Fri Jan 16 12:54:43 CST 2004

Hi Cindy.....

Opinions are like noses..(cleaned up version! ) most everyone has one.
Trite old saying but with some truth.

Fact: Visual Studio is a HUGE leap from Front Page. The learning curve is
GREAT.. but... you can do some really cool stuff with it too if you have the
time and inclination to learning a complex programming tool.

Fact: From what I hear... if you are going to use the built in database
tools in 2003 you also have to have MS Sharepoint on your computer.

Opinion: Seems to me if you are going to do the database stuff yourself (
you know some asp, etc) and do not need the database tools of 2003 that it
would be a better choice than Visual Studio... especially if you have no
programming background.

Best to you......
Tom Gahagan
eThomaston.com

"Cindy" <anonymous@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:001701c3dc5d$73b55a00$a501280a@phx.gbl...
> I have created a web site using FP2003 and am planning on
> using access databases for simple data storage and
> queries. i was told that using FP2003 was not a good idea
> and I should switch to visual Studio .Net. Is there any
> reason why i should not us FP2003 and what are the
> restrictions?
> thanks.
>



Re: Access with FP2003 or VB ..Net by Jim

Jim
Fri Jan 16 13:25:27 CST 2004

Not all of the database tools in FrontPage 2003 do not require Windows
SharePoint Services. You still have access to the Database Results Wizard
and Database Interface Wizard as always, and 2003 adds ASP.NET support
natively.

--
Jim Cheshire
Jimco Add-ins
http://www.jimcoaddins.com
===================================
Buy my book!
Special Edition Using Microsoft FrontPage 2003
Don't take my word for it. Read the reviews!
===================================
Our newest add-in:
FrontPage Cart Companion
http://www.frontpagecartcompanion.com


"Tom Gahagan" <tgahagan@ethomaston.com> wrote in message
news:e1I8yIG3DHA.560@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
> Hi Cindy.....
>
> Opinions are like noses..(cleaned up version! ) most everyone has one.
> Trite old saying but with some truth.
>
> Fact: Visual Studio is a HUGE leap from Front Page. The learning curve is
> GREAT.. but... you can do some really cool stuff with it too if you have
the
> time and inclination to learning a complex programming tool.
>
> Fact: From what I hear... if you are going to use the built in database
> tools in 2003 you also have to have MS Sharepoint on your computer.
>
> Opinion: Seems to me if you are going to do the database stuff yourself (
> you know some asp, etc) and do not need the database tools of 2003 that it
> would be a better choice than Visual Studio... especially if you have no
> programming background.
>
> Best to you......
> Tom Gahagan
> eThomaston.com
>
> "Cindy" <anonymous@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:001701c3dc5d$73b55a00$a501280a@phx.gbl...
> > I have created a web site using FP2003 and am planning on
> > using access databases for simple data storage and
> > queries. i was told that using FP2003 was not a good idea
> > and I should switch to visual Studio .Net. Is there any
> > reason why i should not us FP2003 and what are the
> > restrictions?
> > thanks.
> >
>
>



Re: Access with FP2003 or VB ..Net by Jim

Jim
Fri Jan 16 13:32:41 CST 2004

Please remove the "do not" from the first sentence. :)

--
Jim Cheshire
Jimco Add-ins
http://www.jimcoaddins.com
===================================
Buy my book!
Special Edition Using Microsoft FrontPage 2003
Don't take my word for it. Read the reviews!
===================================
Our newest add-in:
FrontPage Cart Companion
http://www.frontpagecartcompanion.com


"Jim Cheshire" <contactme@www.jimcoaddins.com> wrote in message
news:eZctAaG3DHA.488@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> Not all of the database tools in FrontPage 2003 do not require Windows
> SharePoint Services. You still have access to the Database Results
Wizard
> and Database Interface Wizard as always, and 2003 adds ASP.NET support
> natively.
>
> --
> Jim Cheshire
> Jimco Add-ins
> http://www.jimcoaddins.com
> ===================================
> Buy my book!
> Special Edition Using Microsoft FrontPage 2003
> Don't take my word for it. Read the reviews!
> ===================================
> Our newest add-in:
> FrontPage Cart Companion
> http://www.frontpagecartcompanion.com
>
>
> "Tom Gahagan" <tgahagan@ethomaston.com> wrote in message
> news:e1I8yIG3DHA.560@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
> > Hi Cindy.....
> >
> > Opinions are like noses..(cleaned up version! ) most everyone has one.
> > Trite old saying but with some truth.
> >
> > Fact: Visual Studio is a HUGE leap from Front Page. The learning curve
is
> > GREAT.. but... you can do some really cool stuff with it too if you have
> the
> > time and inclination to learning a complex programming tool.
> >
> > Fact: From what I hear... if you are going to use the built in database
> > tools in 2003 you also have to have MS Sharepoint on your computer.
> >
> > Opinion: Seems to me if you are going to do the database stuff yourself
(
> > you know some asp, etc) and do not need the database tools of 2003 that
it
> > would be a better choice than Visual Studio... especially if you have no
> > programming background.
> >
> > Best to you......
> > Tom Gahagan
> > eThomaston.com
> >
> > "Cindy" <anonymous@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> > news:001701c3dc5d$73b55a00$a501280a@phx.gbl...
> > > I have created a web site using FP2003 and am planning on
> > > using access databases for simple data storage and
> > > queries. i was told that using FP2003 was not a good idea
> > > and I should switch to visual Studio .Net. Is there any
> > > reason why i should not us FP2003 and what are the
> > > restrictions?
> > > thanks.
> > >
> >
> >
>
>



re: Access with FP2003 or VB ..Net by Jim

Jim
Fri Jan 16 13:59:05 CST 2004

>-----Original Message-----
>I have created a web site using FP2003 and am planning on
>using access databases for simple data storage and
>queries. i was told that using FP2003 was not a good idea
>and I should switch to visual Studio .Net. Is there any
>reason why i should not us FP2003 and what are the
>restrictions?
>thanks.

FrontPage neither tries nor succeeds in being a complete,
integrated development system for database applications on
the Web. It does have some components that support simple
data entry into a database, and simple database reporting.

If you want to do more than, you'll need to start writing
program code, probably in ASP or ASP.NET.

You can do fairly well developing ASP pages in FrontPage,
and particularly in FP2003 because of its improved code
editor. However, ASP pages are now officially "old"
technology and if you're just starting out, you may prefer
to go with its successor, ASP.NET.

Compared to ASP, ASP.NET is remarkably more capable. That
capability, however, comes at the price of some
complexity. To deal with that complexity, most ASP.NET
developers use some form of Microsoft Visual Studio .NET.
This could be either Visual Basic .NET Standard or C#
Standard (which cost about $100 each), or a full-blown
version of Visual Studio.

Unfortunately, the Visual Studio HTML editor is nowhere
near as friendly as that in FrontPage. As a result, many
developers use FrontPage for the visual aspects of a site,
and some form of Visual Studio for the programming.

So, the choice of tool really depends on how far you plan
to go within some timeframe.

Jim Buyens
Microsoft FrontPage MVP
http://www.interlacken.com
Author of:
*----------------------------------------------------
|\---------------------------------------------------
|| Microsoft Office FrontPage 2003 Inside Out
||---------------------------------------------------
|| Web Database Development Step by Step .NET Edition
|| Microsoft FrontPage Version 2002 Inside Out
|| Faster Smarter Beginning Programming
|| (All from Microsoft Press)
|/---------------------------------------------------
*----------------------------------------------------



Re: Access with FP2003 or VB ..Net by Jim

Jim
Fri Jan 16 14:14:21 CST 2004

You can also check out Web Matrix for a freeware ASP.NET development tool:

www.asp.net

--
Jim Cheshire
Jimco Add-ins
http://www.jimcoaddins.com
===================================
Buy my book!
Special Edition Using Microsoft FrontPage 2003
Don't take my word for it. Read the reviews!
===================================
Our newest add-in:
FrontPage Cart Companion
http://www.frontpagecartcompanion.com


"Jim Buyens" <anonymous@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:034201c3dc6b$31dbddd0$a101280a@phx.gbl...
> >-----Original Message-----
> >I have created a web site using FP2003 and am planning on
> >using access databases for simple data storage and
> >queries. i was told that using FP2003 was not a good idea
> >and I should switch to visual Studio .Net. Is there any
> >reason why i should not us FP2003 and what are the
> >restrictions?
> >thanks.
>
> FrontPage neither tries nor succeeds in being a complete,
> integrated development system for database applications on
> the Web. It does have some components that support simple
> data entry into a database, and simple database reporting.
>
> If you want to do more than, you'll need to start writing
> program code, probably in ASP or ASP.NET.
>
> You can do fairly well developing ASP pages in FrontPage,
> and particularly in FP2003 because of its improved code
> editor. However, ASP pages are now officially "old"
> technology and if you're just starting out, you may prefer
> to go with its successor, ASP.NET.
>
> Compared to ASP, ASP.NET is remarkably more capable. That
> capability, however, comes at the price of some
> complexity. To deal with that complexity, most ASP.NET
> developers use some form of Microsoft Visual Studio .NET.
> This could be either Visual Basic .NET Standard or C#
> Standard (which cost about $100 each), or a full-blown
> version of Visual Studio.
>
> Unfortunately, the Visual Studio HTML editor is nowhere
> near as friendly as that in FrontPage. As a result, many
> developers use FrontPage for the visual aspects of a site,
> and some form of Visual Studio for the programming.
>
> So, the choice of tool really depends on how far you plan
> to go within some timeframe.
>
> Jim Buyens
> Microsoft FrontPage MVP
> http://www.interlacken.com
> Author of:
> *----------------------------------------------------
> |\---------------------------------------------------
> || Microsoft Office FrontPage 2003 Inside Out
> ||---------------------------------------------------
> || Web Database Development Step by Step .NET Edition
> || Microsoft FrontPage Version 2002 Inside Out
> || Faster Smarter Beginning Programming
> || (All from Microsoft Press)
> |/---------------------------------------------------
> *----------------------------------------------------
>
>



Re: Access with FP2003 or VB ..Net by Tom

Tom
Fri Jan 16 14:53:54 CST 2004

Thanks for the clarification.

Tom Gahagan

"Jim Cheshire" <contactme@www.jimcoaddins.com> wrote in message
news:un9YDeG3DHA.1804@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> Please remove the "do not" from the first sentence. :)
>
> --
> Jim Cheshire
> Jimco Add-ins
> http://www.jimcoaddins.com
> ===================================
> Buy my book!
> Special Edition Using Microsoft FrontPage 2003
> Don't take my word for it. Read the reviews!
> ===================================
> Our newest add-in:
> FrontPage Cart Companion
> http://www.frontpagecartcompanion.com
>
>
> "Jim Cheshire" <contactme@www.jimcoaddins.com> wrote in message
> news:eZctAaG3DHA.488@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> > Not all of the database tools in FrontPage 2003 do not require Windows
> > SharePoint Services. You still have access to the Database Results
> Wizard
> > and Database Interface Wizard as always, and 2003 adds ASP.NET support
> > natively.
> >
> > --
> > Jim Cheshire
> > Jimco Add-ins
> > http://www.jimcoaddins.com
> > ===================================
> > Buy my book!
> > Special Edition Using Microsoft FrontPage 2003
> > Don't take my word for it. Read the reviews!
> > ===================================
> > Our newest add-in:
> > FrontPage Cart Companion
> > http://www.frontpagecartcompanion.com
> >
> >
> > "Tom Gahagan" <tgahagan@ethomaston.com> wrote in message
> > news:e1I8yIG3DHA.560@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
> > > Hi Cindy.....
> > >
> > > Opinions are like noses..(cleaned up version! ) most everyone has one.
> > > Trite old saying but with some truth.
> > >
> > > Fact: Visual Studio is a HUGE leap from Front Page. The learning curve
> is
> > > GREAT.. but... you can do some really cool stuff with it too if you
have
> > the
> > > time and inclination to learning a complex programming tool.
> > >
> > > Fact: From what I hear... if you are going to use the built in
database
> > > tools in 2003 you also have to have MS Sharepoint on your computer.
> > >
> > > Opinion: Seems to me if you are going to do the database stuff
yourself
> (
> > > you know some asp, etc) and do not need the database tools of 2003
that
> it
> > > would be a better choice than Visual Studio... especially if you have
no
> > > programming background.
> > >
> > > Best to you......
> > > Tom Gahagan
> > > eThomaston.com
> > >
> > > "Cindy" <anonymous@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> > > news:001701c3dc5d$73b55a00$a501280a@phx.gbl...
> > > > I have created a web site using FP2003 and am planning on
> > > > using access databases for simple data storage and
> > > > queries. i was told that using FP2003 was not a good idea
> > > > and I should switch to visual Studio .Net. Is there any
> > > > reason why i should not us FP2003 and what are the
> > > > restrictions?
> > > > thanks.
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>