Hi,

Situation:
we have an Exchange 5.5 (called SRV01) in a NT 4 domain, and an Exchange
2003 (called EX2K301) in Win 2K3 domain. There is trust, ADC, CA agreements
set up for migrating the 5.5 to exchange 2003. And we do not want to change
MX record which points to SRV01. We will have a Exchange 2003 Front end
server. We are doing intra-organizational migration. So, after migration,
the Exchange 5.5 box will be decommisioned / removed.

Please advise:
Q1: Because we do not want to change the MX record, so we have to name the
Front end server using the exact name that the Exchange 5.5 box had, which is
SRV01. Otherwise, to my best knowledge, the emailing will not work after the
removal of 5.5 box, SRS and etc.

Q2: If we do not use front end server, we can use another Exchange 2003 box
into the same organization after 5.5 box is removed. AND, again, to my
knoledge, we need to name this second Exchange 2003 box as SRV01, but we do
not have to move mailboxes to this second Exchange 2003 box. What else we
need to do to his second Exchange 2003 box in order for email go flow.

Thank you very much.

Re: Front end server name by Mark

Mark
Thu Oct 26 07:09:05 CDT 2006

On Thu, 26 Oct 2006 04:42:02 -0700, Lenny
<Lenny@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

>Hi,
>
>Situation:
> we have an Exchange 5.5 (called SRV01) in a NT 4 domain, and an Exchange
>2003 (called EX2K301) in Win 2K3 domain. There is trust, ADC, CA agreements
>set up for migrating the 5.5 to exchange 2003. And we do not want to change
>MX record which points to SRV01. We will have a Exchange 2003 Front end
>server. We are doing intra-organizational migration. So, after migration,
>the Exchange 5.5 box will be decommisioned / removed.
>
>Please advise:
>Q1: Because we do not want to change the MX record, so we have to name the
>Front end server using the exact name that the Exchange 5.5 box had, which is
>SRV01. Otherwise, to my best knowledge, the emailing will not work after the
>removal of 5.5 box, SRS and etc.

Whoa.
No, you don't understand. The MX records are for the benefit of
external servers and users. MX records are put onto the ISP DNS
servers to that folk can get to you.
The MX record need bear absolutley no relation whatsoever to the
internal name(s) of Exchange servers.
Internally there is no reference, ever, to an MX record.

You cannot, ever, change the name of your Exchange server.

>
>Q2: If we do not use front end server, we can use another Exchange 2003 box
>into the same organization after 5.5 box is removed. AND, again, to my
>knoledge, we need to name this second Exchange 2003 box as SRV01, but we do
>not have to move mailboxes to this second Exchange 2003 box. What else we
>need to do to his second Exchange 2003 box in order for email go flow.
>
>Thank you very much.
>
>

So, the MX record at the ISP says whatever you want it to. The A
record (to which the MX record points) says whatever IP address you
want. When you're ready to swing off the 5.5 server you can do
whatever you need to repoint inbound SMTP to the right server (either
repointing your internal firewall or changing the A record if you have
mutiple public IP's.

You'll understand now that you haven't given enough information for a
definitive statement what to do on that last part.

Re: Front end server name by Lenny

Lenny
Thu Oct 26 12:30:02 CDT 2006

Hi,

I do not think you understand my question, expecially, # 1. Let's try it
again. Please forget about the previous question, let me rephrase it as
following:

The question is: in a Front end and back end situation, the MX record
should point to the front end. Please confirm.


The following senario will help you understand the real situation which
boils down to one point: MX record should points to the frontend server.
For example, the mx record for corp.com points to the record of an Exchange
server: exchange.corp.com

And the exchange server is Exchange. Currently, the Exchange server is the
only exchange server. However, we need to introduce another Exchange server
and set up Frontend and backend topology. If we still want to keep the MX
record the same, namely, all email to corp.com will be directed to
exchange.corp.com. We should use the old server Exchange as the frontend
server, and should not use it as the backend server - please confirm.







"Mark Arnold [MVP]" wrote:

> On Thu, 26 Oct 2006 04:42:02 -0700, Lenny
> <Lenny@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
>
> >Hi,
> >
> >Situation:
> > we have an Exchange 5.5 (called SRV01) in a NT 4 domain, and an Exchange
> >2003 (called EX2K301) in Win 2K3 domain. There is trust, ADC, CA agreements
> >set up for migrating the 5.5 to exchange 2003. And we do not want to change
> >MX record which points to SRV01. We will have a Exchange 2003 Front end
> >server. We are doing intra-organizational migration. So, after migration,
> >the Exchange 5.5 box will be decommisioned / removed.
> >
> >Please advise:
> >Q1: Because we do not want to change the MX record, so we have to name the
> >Front end server using the exact name that the Exchange 5.5 box had, which is
> >SRV01. Otherwise, to my best knowledge, the emailing will not work after the
> >removal of 5.5 box, SRS and etc.
>
> Whoa.
> No, you don't understand. The MX records are for the benefit of
> external servers and users. MX records are put onto the ISP DNS
> servers to that folk can get to you.
> The MX record need bear absolutley no relation whatsoever to the
> internal name(s) of Exchange servers.
> Internally there is no reference, ever, to an MX record.
>
> You cannot, ever, change the name of your Exchange server.
>
> >
> >Q2: If we do not use front end server, we can use another Exchange 2003 box
> >into the same organization after 5.5 box is removed. AND, again, to my
> >knoledge, we need to name this second Exchange 2003 box as SRV01, but we do
> >not have to move mailboxes to this second Exchange 2003 box. What else we
> >need to do to his second Exchange 2003 box in order for email go flow.
> >
> >Thank you very much.
> >
> >
>
> So, the MX record at the ISP says whatever you want it to. The A
> record (to which the MX record points) says whatever IP address you
> want. When you're ready to swing off the 5.5 server you can do
> whatever you need to repoint inbound SMTP to the right server (either
> repointing your internal firewall or changing the A record if you have
> mutiple public IP's.
>
> You'll understand now that you haven't given enough information for a
> definitive statement what to do on that last part.
>

Re: Front end server name by Mark

Mark
Thu Oct 26 13:08:42 CDT 2006

On Thu, 26 Oct 2006 10:30:02 -0700, Lenny
<Lenny@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

>Hi,
>
>I do not think you understand my question, expecially, # 1. Let's try it
>again. Please forget about the previous question, let me rephrase it as
>following:
>
>The question is: in a Front end and back end situation, the MX record
>should point to the front end. Please confirm.

Kind of. The MX record points to an A record. The A record points to
an IP address. The IP address there goes either to the FE or it goes
to the firewall which forwards SMTP to the FE.

>
>
>The following senario will help you understand the real situation which
>boils down to one point: MX record should points to the frontend server.
>For example, the mx record for corp.com points to the record of an Exchange
>server: exchange.corp.com
>
>And the exchange server is Exchange. Currently, the Exchange server is the
>only exchange server. However, we need to introduce another Exchange server
>and set up Frontend and backend topology. If we still want to keep the MX
>record the same, namely, all email to corp.com will be directed to
>exchange.corp.com. We should use the old server Exchange as the frontend
>server, and should not use it as the backend server - please confirm.
>
>
Yeah, just ignore the whole thing with the MX records beyond what I
said above. If you want a complete answer (and I was hoping youd take
the hint earlier) then you need to tell us what that A record points
to (physically)

Eliminate from your head all thoughts of MX records, you do not need
to involve yourself in such things.


Re: Front end server name by Lenny

Lenny
Thu Oct 26 13:29:01 CDT 2006

Yes, of course, the A record points to exchange.corp.com. (or the ip address
in the A record is the public IP address for the server called Exchange)

MX record means: mail for corp.com goes to a server named Exchange.corp.com
and this server's IP address is x.y.z.w, and the Exchange is the real name
for this server. Therefore, our question: MX record should be "point" to
Front end server and there fore the front end server should use Exchange as
its name. Please verify.

( in our senario, we need to use the old exchange server as the fronend
server since it is already named as Exchange, and Exchange server name cannot
be changed. Of course, when setting up Frontend and backend, we will migrate
mailboxes from the server called Exchange to the new server which will be the
backend server)

"Mark Arnold [MVP]" wrote:

> On Thu, 26 Oct 2006 10:30:02 -0700, Lenny
> <Lenny@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
>
> >Hi,
> >
> >I do not think you understand my question, expecially, # 1. Let's try it
> >again. Please forget about the previous question, let me rephrase it as
> >following:
> >
> >The question is: in a Front end and back end situation, the MX record
> >should point to the front end. Please confirm.
>
> Kind of. The MX record points to an A record. The A record points to
> an IP address. The IP address there goes either to the FE or it goes
> to the firewall which forwards SMTP to the FE.
>
> >
> >
> >The following senario will help you understand the real situation which
> >boils down to one point: MX record should points to the frontend server.
> >For example, the mx record for corp.com points to the record of an Exchange
> >server: exchange.corp.com
> >
> >And the exchange server is Exchange. Currently, the Exchange server is the
> >only exchange server. However, we need to introduce another Exchange server
> >and set up Frontend and backend topology. If we still want to keep the MX
> >record the same, namely, all email to corp.com will be directed to
> >exchange.corp.com. We should use the old server Exchange as the frontend
> >server, and should not use it as the backend server - please confirm.
> >
> >
> Yeah, just ignore the whole thing with the MX records beyond what I
> said above. If you want a complete answer (and I was hoping youd take
> the hint earlier) then you need to tell us what that A record points
> to (physically)
>
> Eliminate from your head all thoughts of MX records, you do not need
> to involve yourself in such things.
>
>

Re: Front end server name by Mark

Mark
Thu Oct 26 13:53:51 CDT 2006

On Thu, 26 Oct 2006 11:29:01 -0700, Lenny
<Lenny@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

>Yes, of course, the A record points to exchange.corp.com. (or the ip address
>in the A record is the public IP address for the server called Exchange)
>
>MX record means: mail for corp.com goes to a server named Exchange.corp.com
>and this server's IP address is x.y.z.w, and the Exchange is the real name
>for this server. Therefore, our question: MX record should be "point" to
>Front end server and there fore the front end server should use Exchange as
>its name. Please verify.

I know exactly what a bloody MX record means son. The MX points to the
A. The A has an IP. That IP is the FE.

>
>( in our senario, we need to use the old exchange server as the fronend
>server since it is already named as Exchange, and Exchange server name cannot
>be changed. Of course, when setting up Frontend and backend, we will migrate
>mailboxes from the server called Exchange to the new server which will be the
>backend server)

What the hell has the name of the server got to do with anything. The
external name has no bearing on anything. You can give the server a
name that matches the naming convention of your organisation (UKEX001,
planets, southpark characters, dog names WHATEVER) and you can have
the MX called "webmail" or "remote" or "something sensible" an have an
A record of that name pointing at whatever your security boundary is
(FE, firewall, ISA, WHATEVER)



>
>"Mark Arnold [MVP]" wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 26 Oct 2006 10:30:02 -0700, Lenny
>> <Lenny@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
>>
>> >Hi,
>> >
>> >I do not think you understand my question, expecially, # 1. Let's try it
>> >again. Please forget about the previous question, let me rephrase it as
>> >following:
>> >
>> >The question is: in a Front end and back end situation, the MX record
>> >should point to the front end. Please confirm.
>>
>> Kind of. The MX record points to an A record. The A record points to
>> an IP address. The IP address there goes either to the FE or it goes
>> to the firewall which forwards SMTP to the FE.
>>
>> >
>> >
>> >The following senario will help you understand the real situation which
>> >boils down to one point: MX record should points to the frontend server.
>> >For example, the mx record for corp.com points to the record of an Exchange
>> >server: exchange.corp.com
>> >
>> >And the exchange server is Exchange. Currently, the Exchange server is the
>> >only exchange server. However, we need to introduce another Exchange server
>> >and set up Frontend and backend topology. If we still want to keep the MX
>> >record the same, namely, all email to corp.com will be directed to
>> >exchange.corp.com. We should use the old server Exchange as the frontend
>> >server, and should not use it as the backend server - please confirm.
>> >
>> >
>> Yeah, just ignore the whole thing with the MX records beyond what I
>> said above. If you want a complete answer (and I was hoping youd take
>> the hint earlier) then you need to tell us what that A record points
>> to (physically)
>>
>> Eliminate from your head all thoughts of MX records, you do not need
>> to involve yourself in such things.
>>
>>


Re: Front end server name by Lenny

Lenny
Thu Oct 26 15:21:03 CDT 2006

All we ask is whether MX record points to our Front end server, which is our
security boundary (otherwise why should we ask). BTW, I do not care what you
call us, son, father, or bloody son, you should be professional, Mr. MVP.

"Mark Arnold [MVP]" wrote:

> On Thu, 26 Oct 2006 11:29:01 -0700, Lenny
> <Lenny@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
>
> >Yes, of course, the A record points to exchange.corp.com. (or the ip address
> >in the A record is the public IP address for the server called Exchange)
> >
> >MX record means: mail for corp.com goes to a server named Exchange.corp.com
> >and this server's IP address is x.y.z.w, and the Exchange is the real name
> >for this server. Therefore, our question: MX record should be "point" to
> >Front end server and there fore the front end server should use Exchange as
> >its name. Please verify.
>
> I know exactly what a bloody MX record means son. The MX points to the
> A. The A has an IP. That IP is the FE.
>
> >
> >( in our senario, we need to use the old exchange server as the fronend
> >server since it is already named as Exchange, and Exchange server name cannot
> >be changed. Of course, when setting up Frontend and backend, we will migrate
> >mailboxes from the server called Exchange to the new server which will be the
> >backend server)
>
> What the hell has the name of the server got to do with anything. The
> external name has no bearing on anything. You can give the server a
> name that matches the naming convention of your organisation (UKEX001,
> planets, southpark characters, dog names WHATEVER) and you can have
> the MX called "webmail" or "remote" or "something sensible" an have an
> A record of that name pointing at whatever your security boundary is
> (FE, firewall, ISA, WHATEVER)
>
>
>
> >
> >"Mark Arnold [MVP]" wrote:
> >
> >> On Thu, 26 Oct 2006 10:30:02 -0700, Lenny
> >> <Lenny@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >Hi,
> >> >
> >> >I do not think you understand my question, expecially, # 1. Let's try it
> >> >again. Please forget about the previous question, let me rephrase it as
> >> >following:
> >> >
> >> >The question is: in a Front end and back end situation, the MX record
> >> >should point to the front end. Please confirm.
> >>
> >> Kind of. The MX record points to an A record. The A record points to
> >> an IP address. The IP address there goes either to the FE or it goes
> >> to the firewall which forwards SMTP to the FE.
> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >The following senario will help you understand the real situation which
> >> >boils down to one point: MX record should points to the frontend server.
> >> >For example, the mx record for corp.com points to the record of an Exchange
> >> >server: exchange.corp.com
> >> >
> >> >And the exchange server is Exchange. Currently, the Exchange server is the
> >> >only exchange server. However, we need to introduce another Exchange server
> >> >and set up Frontend and backend topology. If we still want to keep the MX
> >> >record the same, namely, all email to corp.com will be directed to
> >> >exchange.corp.com. We should use the old server Exchange as the frontend
> >> >server, and should not use it as the backend server - please confirm.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> Yeah, just ignore the whole thing with the MX records beyond what I
> >> said above. If you want a complete answer (and I was hoping youd take
> >> the hint earlier) then you need to tell us what that A record points
> >> to (physically)
> >>
> >> Eliminate from your head all thoughts of MX records, you do not need
> >> to involve yourself in such things.
> >>
> >>
>
>

Re: Front end server name by Ed

Ed
Thu Oct 26 15:22:58 CDT 2006

You know, if you had posted your real DNS domain name this thread would
likely have ended several nesting levels ago.
--
Ed Crowley
MVP - Exchange
"Protecting the world from PSTs and brick backups!"

"Lenny" <Lenny@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:B88A3A54-B6AB-4063-830B-9548F3683350@microsoft.com...
> All we ask is whether MX record points to our Front end server, which is
> our
> security boundary (otherwise why should we ask). BTW, I do not care what
> you
> call us, son, father, or bloody son, you should be professional, Mr. MVP.
>
> "Mark Arnold [MVP]" wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 26 Oct 2006 11:29:01 -0700, Lenny
>> <Lenny@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
>>
>> >Yes, of course, the A record points to exchange.corp.com. (or the ip
>> >address
>> >in the A record is the public IP address for the server called Exchange)
>> >
>> >MX record means: mail for corp.com goes to a server named
>> >Exchange.corp.com
>> >and this server's IP address is x.y.z.w, and the Exchange is the real
>> >name
>> >for this server. Therefore, our question: MX record should be "point"
>> >to
>> >Front end server and there fore the front end server should use Exchange
>> >as
>> >its name. Please verify.
>>
>> I know exactly what a bloody MX record means son. The MX points to the
>> A. The A has an IP. That IP is the FE.
>>
>> >
>> >( in our senario, we need to use the old exchange server as the fronend
>> >server since it is already named as Exchange, and Exchange server name
>> >cannot
>> >be changed. Of course, when setting up Frontend and backend, we will
>> >migrate
>> >mailboxes from the server called Exchange to the new server which will
>> >be the
>> >backend server)
>>
>> What the hell has the name of the server got to do with anything. The
>> external name has no bearing on anything. You can give the server a
>> name that matches the naming convention of your organisation (UKEX001,
>> planets, southpark characters, dog names WHATEVER) and you can have
>> the MX called "webmail" or "remote" or "something sensible" an have an
>> A record of that name pointing at whatever your security boundary is
>> (FE, firewall, ISA, WHATEVER)
>>
>>
>>
>> >
>> >"Mark Arnold [MVP]" wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Thu, 26 Oct 2006 10:30:02 -0700, Lenny
>> >> <Lenny@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >Hi,
>> >> >
>> >> >I do not think you understand my question, expecially, # 1. Let's
>> >> >try it
>> >> >again. Please forget about the previous question, let me rephrase it
>> >> >as
>> >> >following:
>> >> >
>> >> >The question is: in a Front end and back end situation, the MX
>> >> >record
>> >> >should point to the front end. Please confirm.
>> >>
>> >> Kind of. The MX record points to an A record. The A record points to
>> >> an IP address. The IP address there goes either to the FE or it goes
>> >> to the firewall which forwards SMTP to the FE.
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >The following senario will help you understand the real situation
>> >> >which
>> >> >boils down to one point: MX record should points to the frontend
>> >> >server.
>> >> >For example, the mx record for corp.com points to the record of an
>> >> >Exchange
>> >> >server: exchange.corp.com
>> >> >
>> >> >And the exchange server is Exchange. Currently, the Exchange server
>> >> >is the
>> >> >only exchange server. However, we need to introduce another Exchange
>> >> >server
>> >> >and set up Frontend and backend topology. If we still want to keep
>> >> >the MX
>> >> >record the same, namely, all email to corp.com will be directed to
>> >> >exchange.corp.com. We should use the old server Exchange as the
>> >> >frontend
>> >> >server, and should not use it as the backend server - please confirm.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> Yeah, just ignore the whole thing with the MX records beyond what I
>> >> said above. If you want a complete answer (and I was hoping youd take
>> >> the hint earlier) then you need to tell us what that A record points
>> >> to (physically)
>> >>
>> >> Eliminate from your head all thoughts of MX records, you do not need
>> >> to involve yourself in such things.
>> >>
>> >>
>>
>>



Re: Front end server name by Lenny

Lenny
Thu Oct 26 21:19:02 CDT 2006

Mr. Crowley,

Let's try again: all we need to know is a clear answer from a professional
MVP like you to the following question: our MX record points to the
production exchange server which is the only exchange server right now. We
are going to add one more exchange and make the new one the front end server.
And we believe the MX record should point to the frontend server. Please
verify.

BTW, pix firewall in front of exchange servers and no security complication
needs to be factored in. Thank you




"Ed Crowley [MVP]" wrote:

> You know, if you had posted your real DNS domain name this thread would
> likely have ended several nesting levels ago.
> --
> Ed Crowley
> MVP - Exchange
> "Protecting the world from PSTs and brick backups!"
>
> "Lenny" <Lenny@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:B88A3A54-B6AB-4063-830B-9548F3683350@microsoft.com...
> > All we ask is whether MX record points to our Front end server, which is
> > our
> > security boundary (otherwise why should we ask). BTW, I do not care what
> > you
> > call us, son, father, or bloody son, you should be professional, Mr. MVP.
> >
> > "Mark Arnold [MVP]" wrote:
> >
> >> On Thu, 26 Oct 2006 11:29:01 -0700, Lenny
> >> <Lenny@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >Yes, of course, the A record points to exchange.corp.com. (or the ip
> >> >address
> >> >in the A record is the public IP address for the server called Exchange)
> >> >
> >> >MX record means: mail for corp.com goes to a server named
> >> >Exchange.corp.com
> >> >and this server's IP address is x.y.z.w, and the Exchange is the real
> >> >name
> >> >for this server. Therefore, our question: MX record should be "point"
> >> >to
> >> >Front end server and there fore the front end server should use Exchange
> >> >as
> >> >its name. Please verify.
> >>
> >> I know exactly what a bloody MX record means son. The MX points to the
> >> A. The A has an IP. That IP is the FE.
> >>
> >> >
> >> >( in our senario, we need to use the old exchange server as the fronend
> >> >server since it is already named as Exchange, and Exchange server name
> >> >cannot
> >> >be changed. Of course, when setting up Frontend and backend, we will
> >> >migrate
> >> >mailboxes from the server called Exchange to the new server which will
> >> >be the
> >> >backend server)
> >>
> >> What the hell has the name of the server got to do with anything. The
> >> external name has no bearing on anything. You can give the server a
> >> name that matches the naming convention of your organisation (UKEX001,
> >> planets, southpark characters, dog names WHATEVER) and you can have
> >> the MX called "webmail" or "remote" or "something sensible" an have an
> >> A record of that name pointing at whatever your security boundary is
> >> (FE, firewall, ISA, WHATEVER)
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> >
> >> >"Mark Arnold [MVP]" wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> On Thu, 26 Oct 2006 10:30:02 -0700, Lenny
> >> >> <Lenny@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >Hi,
> >> >> >
> >> >> >I do not think you understand my question, expecially, # 1. Let's
> >> >> >try it
> >> >> >again. Please forget about the previous question, let me rephrase it
> >> >> >as
> >> >> >following:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >The question is: in a Front end and back end situation, the MX
> >> >> >record
> >> >> >should point to the front end. Please confirm.
> >> >>
> >> >> Kind of. The MX record points to an A record. The A record points to
> >> >> an IP address. The IP address there goes either to the FE or it goes
> >> >> to the firewall which forwards SMTP to the FE.
> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >The following senario will help you understand the real situation
> >> >> >which
> >> >> >boils down to one point: MX record should points to the frontend
> >> >> >server.
> >> >> >For example, the mx record for corp.com points to the record of an
> >> >> >Exchange
> >> >> >server: exchange.corp.com
> >> >> >
> >> >> >And the exchange server is Exchange. Currently, the Exchange server
> >> >> >is the
> >> >> >only exchange server. However, we need to introduce another Exchange
> >> >> >server
> >> >> >and set up Frontend and backend topology. If we still want to keep
> >> >> >the MX
> >> >> >record the same, namely, all email to corp.com will be directed to
> >> >> >exchange.corp.com. We should use the old server Exchange as the
> >> >> >frontend
> >> >> >server, and should not use it as the backend server - please confirm.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> Yeah, just ignore the whole thing with the MX records beyond what I
> >> >> said above. If you want a complete answer (and I was hoping youd take
> >> >> the hint earlier) then you need to tell us what that A record points
> >> >> to (physically)
> >> >>
> >> >> Eliminate from your head all thoughts of MX records, you do not need
> >> >> to involve yourself in such things.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >>
> >>
>
>
>

Re: Front end server name by Ed

Ed
Fri Oct 27 21:24:32 CDT 2006

A front-end server does not have to route SMTP traffic, so I cannot answer
that question. By definition a front-end server handles OWA, IMAP and POP
traffic for multiple back-end servers. If your front-end is acting as a
bridgehead, which may or may not be a good idea, then you would want to
change your MX record, NAT setting, or the like to direct the inbound SMTP
traffic to it. If you aren't using it as a bridgehead, you don't. Note
that if you're using a PIX firewall, you will need to turn off the Mailguard
feature or else mail to and from Exchange won't work right.
--
Ed Crowley
MVP - Exchange
"Protecting the world from PSTs and brick backups!"

"Lenny" <Lenny@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:18B74C59-EF61-49D0-A0EE-F361A750F6AE@microsoft.com...
> Mr. Crowley,
>
> Let's try again: all we need to know is a clear answer from a
> professional
> MVP like you to the following question: our MX record points to the
> production exchange server which is the only exchange server right now.
> We
> are going to add one more exchange and make the new one the front end
> server.
> And we believe the MX record should point to the frontend server. Please
> verify.
>
> BTW, pix firewall in front of exchange servers and no security
> complication
> needs to be factored in. Thank you
>
>
>
>
> "Ed Crowley [MVP]" wrote:
>
>> You know, if you had posted your real DNS domain name this thread would
>> likely have ended several nesting levels ago.
>> --
>> Ed Crowley
>> MVP - Exchange
>> "Protecting the world from PSTs and brick backups!"
>>
>> "Lenny" <Lenny@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:B88A3A54-B6AB-4063-830B-9548F3683350@microsoft.com...
>> > All we ask is whether MX record points to our Front end server, which
>> > is
>> > our
>> > security boundary (otherwise why should we ask). BTW, I do not care
>> > what
>> > you
>> > call us, son, father, or bloody son, you should be professional, Mr.
>> > MVP.
>> >
>> > "Mark Arnold [MVP]" wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Thu, 26 Oct 2006 11:29:01 -0700, Lenny
>> >> <Lenny@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >Yes, of course, the A record points to exchange.corp.com. (or the ip
>> >> >address
>> >> >in the A record is the public IP address for the server called
>> >> >Exchange)
>> >> >
>> >> >MX record means: mail for corp.com goes to a server named
>> >> >Exchange.corp.com
>> >> >and this server's IP address is x.y.z.w, and the Exchange is the real
>> >> >name
>> >> >for this server. Therefore, our question: MX record should be
>> >> >"point"
>> >> >to
>> >> >Front end server and there fore the front end server should use
>> >> >Exchange
>> >> >as
>> >> >its name. Please verify.
>> >>
>> >> I know exactly what a bloody MX record means son. The MX points to the
>> >> A. The A has an IP. That IP is the FE.
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >( in our senario, we need to use the old exchange server as the
>> >> >fronend
>> >> >server since it is already named as Exchange, and Exchange server
>> >> >name
>> >> >cannot
>> >> >be changed. Of course, when setting up Frontend and backend, we will
>> >> >migrate
>> >> >mailboxes from the server called Exchange to the new server which
>> >> >will
>> >> >be the
>> >> >backend server)
>> >>
>> >> What the hell has the name of the server got to do with anything. The
>> >> external name has no bearing on anything. You can give the server a
>> >> name that matches the naming convention of your organisation (UKEX001,
>> >> planets, southpark characters, dog names WHATEVER) and you can have
>> >> the MX called "webmail" or "remote" or "something sensible" an have an
>> >> A record of that name pointing at whatever your security boundary is
>> >> (FE, firewall, ISA, WHATEVER)
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >"Mark Arnold [MVP]" wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> On Thu, 26 Oct 2006 10:30:02 -0700, Lenny
>> >> >> <Lenny@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >Hi,
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >I do not think you understand my question, expecially, # 1.
>> >> >> >Let's
>> >> >> >try it
>> >> >> >again. Please forget about the previous question, let me rephrase
>> >> >> >it
>> >> >> >as
>> >> >> >following:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >The question is: in a Front end and back end situation, the MX
>> >> >> >record
>> >> >> >should point to the front end. Please confirm.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Kind of. The MX record points to an A record. The A record points
>> >> >> to
>> >> >> an IP address. The IP address there goes either to the FE or it
>> >> >> goes
>> >> >> to the firewall which forwards SMTP to the FE.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >The following senario will help you understand the real situation
>> >> >> >which
>> >> >> >boils down to one point: MX record should points to the frontend
>> >> >> >server.
>> >> >> >For example, the mx record for corp.com points to the record of an
>> >> >> >Exchange
>> >> >> >server: exchange.corp.com
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >And the exchange server is Exchange. Currently, the Exchange
>> >> >> >server
>> >> >> >is the
>> >> >> >only exchange server. However, we need to introduce another
>> >> >> >Exchange
>> >> >> >server
>> >> >> >and set up Frontend and backend topology. If we still want to
>> >> >> >keep
>> >> >> >the MX
>> >> >> >record the same, namely, all email to corp.com will be directed to
>> >> >> >exchange.corp.com. We should use the old server Exchange as the
>> >> >> >frontend
>> >> >> >server, and should not use it as the backend server - please
>> >> >> >confirm.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> Yeah, just ignore the whole thing with the MX records beyond what I
>> >> >> said above. If you want a complete answer (and I was hoping youd
>> >> >> take
>> >> >> the hint earlier) then you need to tell us what that A record
>> >> >> points
>> >> >> to (physically)
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Eliminate from your head all thoughts of MX records, you do not
>> >> >> need
>> >> >> to involve yourself in such things.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>>
>>
>>



Re: Front end server name by Lenny

Lenny
Mon Oct 30 09:30:02 CST 2006

Thanks

"Ed Crowley [MVP]" wrote:

> A front-end server does not have to route SMTP traffic, so I cannot answer
> that question. By definition a front-end server handles OWA, IMAP and POP
> traffic for multiple back-end servers. If your front-end is acting as a
> bridgehead, which may or may not be a good idea, then you would want to
> change your MX record, NAT setting, or the like to direct the inbound SMTP
> traffic to it. If you aren't using it as a bridgehead, you don't. Note
> that if you're using a PIX firewall, you will need to turn off the Mailguard
> feature or else mail to and from Exchange won't work right.
> --
> Ed Crowley
> MVP - Exchange
> "Protecting the world from PSTs and brick backups!"
>
> "Lenny" <Lenny@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:18B74C59-EF61-49D0-A0EE-F361A750F6AE@microsoft.com...
> > Mr. Crowley,
> >
> > Let's try again: all we need to know is a clear answer from a
> > professional
> > MVP like you to the following question: our MX record points to the
> > production exchange server which is the only exchange server right now.
> > We
> > are going to add one more exchange and make the new one the front end
> > server.
> > And we believe the MX record should point to the frontend server. Please
> > verify.
> >
> > BTW, pix firewall in front of exchange servers and no security
> > complication
> > needs to be factored in. Thank you
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "Ed Crowley [MVP]" wrote:
> >
> >> You know, if you had posted your real DNS domain name this thread would
> >> likely have ended several nesting levels ago.
> >> --
> >> Ed Crowley
> >> MVP - Exchange
> >> "Protecting the world from PSTs and brick backups!"
> >>
> >> "Lenny" <Lenny@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> >> news:B88A3A54-B6AB-4063-830B-9548F3683350@microsoft.com...
> >> > All we ask is whether MX record points to our Front end server, which
> >> > is
> >> > our
> >> > security boundary (otherwise why should we ask). BTW, I do not care
> >> > what
> >> > you
> >> > call us, son, father, or bloody son, you should be professional, Mr.
> >> > MVP.
> >> >
> >> > "Mark Arnold [MVP]" wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> On Thu, 26 Oct 2006 11:29:01 -0700, Lenny
> >> >> <Lenny@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >Yes, of course, the A record points to exchange.corp.com. (or the ip
> >> >> >address
> >> >> >in the A record is the public IP address for the server called
> >> >> >Exchange)
> >> >> >
> >> >> >MX record means: mail for corp.com goes to a server named
> >> >> >Exchange.corp.com
> >> >> >and this server's IP address is x.y.z.w, and the Exchange is the real
> >> >> >name
> >> >> >for this server. Therefore, our question: MX record should be
> >> >> >"point"
> >> >> >to
> >> >> >Front end server and there fore the front end server should use
> >> >> >Exchange
> >> >> >as
> >> >> >its name. Please verify.
> >> >>
> >> >> I know exactly what a bloody MX record means son. The MX points to the
> >> >> A. The A has an IP. That IP is the FE.
> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> >( in our senario, we need to use the old exchange server as the
> >> >> >fronend
> >> >> >server since it is already named as Exchange, and Exchange server
> >> >> >name
> >> >> >cannot
> >> >> >be changed. Of course, when setting up Frontend and backend, we will
> >> >> >migrate
> >> >> >mailboxes from the server called Exchange to the new server which
> >> >> >will
> >> >> >be the
> >> >> >backend server)
> >> >>
> >> >> What the hell has the name of the server got to do with anything. The
> >> >> external name has no bearing on anything. You can give the server a
> >> >> name that matches the naming convention of your organisation (UKEX001,
> >> >> planets, southpark characters, dog names WHATEVER) and you can have
> >> >> the MX called "webmail" or "remote" or "something sensible" an have an
> >> >> A record of that name pointing at whatever your security boundary is
> >> >> (FE, firewall, ISA, WHATEVER)
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> >"Mark Arnold [MVP]" wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> On Thu, 26 Oct 2006 10:30:02 -0700, Lenny
> >> >> >> <Lenny@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >Hi,
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >I do not think you understand my question, expecially, # 1.
> >> >> >> >Let's
> >> >> >> >try it
> >> >> >> >again. Please forget about the previous question, let me rephrase
> >> >> >> >it
> >> >> >> >as
> >> >> >> >following:
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >The question is: in a Front end and back end situation, the MX
> >> >> >> >record
> >> >> >> >should point to the front end. Please confirm.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Kind of. The MX record points to an A record. The A record points
> >> >> >> to
> >> >> >> an IP address. The IP address there goes either to the FE or it
> >> >> >> goes
> >> >> >> to the firewall which forwards SMTP to the FE.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >The following senario will help you understand the real situation
> >> >> >> >which
> >> >> >> >boils down to one point: MX record should points to the frontend
> >> >> >> >server.
> >> >> >> >For example, the mx record for corp.com points to the record of an
> >> >> >> >Exchange
> >> >> >> >server: exchange.corp.com
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >And the exchange server is Exchange. Currently, the Exchange
> >> >> >> >server
> >> >> >> >is the
> >> >> >> >only exchange server. However, we need to introduce another
> >> >> >> >Exchange
> >> >> >> >server
> >> >> >> >and set up Frontend and backend topology. If we still want to
> >> >> >> >keep
> >> >> >> >the MX
> >> >> >> >record the same, namely, all email to corp.com will be directed to
> >> >> >> >exchange.corp.com. We should use the old server Exchange as the
> >> >> >> >frontend
> >> >> >> >server, and should not use it as the backend server - please
> >> >> >> >confirm.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> Yeah, just ignore the whole thing with the MX records beyond what I
> >> >> >> said above. If you want a complete answer (and I was hoping youd
> >> >> >> take
> >> >> >> the hint earlier) then you need to tell us what that A record
> >> >> >> points
> >> >> >> to (physically)
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Eliminate from your head all thoughts of MX records, you do not
> >> >> >> need
> >> >> >> to involve yourself in such things.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
>
>
>

Re: Front end server name by Ed

Ed
Mon Oct 30 21:05:32 CST 2006

You're welcome.
--
Ed Crowley
MVP - Exchange
"Protecting the world from PSTs and brick backups!"

"Lenny" <Lenny@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:45BD4DFD-2324-4310-9433-D2EA5814F72E@microsoft.com...
> Thanks
>
> "Ed Crowley [MVP]" wrote:
>
>> A front-end server does not have to route SMTP traffic, so I cannot
>> answer
>> that question. By definition a front-end server handles OWA, IMAP and
>> POP
>> traffic for multiple back-end servers. If your front-end is acting as a
>> bridgehead, which may or may not be a good idea, then you would want to
>> change your MX record, NAT setting, or the like to direct the inbound
>> SMTP
>> traffic to it. If you aren't using it as a bridgehead, you don't. Note
>> that if you're using a PIX firewall, you will need to turn off the
>> Mailguard
>> feature or else mail to and from Exchange won't work right.
>> --
>> Ed Crowley
>> MVP - Exchange
>> "Protecting the world from PSTs and brick backups!"
>>
>> "Lenny" <Lenny@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:18B74C59-EF61-49D0-A0EE-F361A750F6AE@microsoft.com...
>> > Mr. Crowley,
>> >
>> > Let's try again: all we need to know is a clear answer from a
>> > professional
>> > MVP like you to the following question: our MX record points to the
>> > production exchange server which is the only exchange server right now.
>> > We
>> > are going to add one more exchange and make the new one the front end
>> > server.
>> > And we believe the MX record should point to the frontend server.
>> > Please
>> > verify.
>> >
>> > BTW, pix firewall in front of exchange servers and no security
>> > complication
>> > needs to be factored in. Thank you
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > "Ed Crowley [MVP]" wrote:
>> >
>> >> You know, if you had posted your real DNS domain name this thread
>> >> would
>> >> likely have ended several nesting levels ago.
>> >> --
>> >> Ed Crowley
>> >> MVP - Exchange
>> >> "Protecting the world from PSTs and brick backups!"
>> >>
>> >> "Lenny" <Lenny@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:B88A3A54-B6AB-4063-830B-9548F3683350@microsoft.com...
>> >> > All we ask is whether MX record points to our Front end server,
>> >> > which
>> >> > is
>> >> > our
>> >> > security boundary (otherwise why should we ask). BTW, I do not care
>> >> > what
>> >> > you
>> >> > call us, son, father, or bloody son, you should be professional, Mr.
>> >> > MVP.
>> >> >
>> >> > "Mark Arnold [MVP]" wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> On Thu, 26 Oct 2006 11:29:01 -0700, Lenny
>> >> >> <Lenny@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >Yes, of course, the A record points to exchange.corp.com. (or the
>> >> >> >ip
>> >> >> >address
>> >> >> >in the A record is the public IP address for the server called
>> >> >> >Exchange)
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >MX record means: mail for corp.com goes to a server named
>> >> >> >Exchange.corp.com
>> >> >> >and this server's IP address is x.y.z.w, and the Exchange is the
>> >> >> >real
>> >> >> >name
>> >> >> >for this server. Therefore, our question: MX record should be
>> >> >> >"point"
>> >> >> >to
>> >> >> >Front end server and there fore the front end server should use
>> >> >> >Exchange
>> >> >> >as
>> >> >> >its name. Please verify.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I know exactly what a bloody MX record means son. The MX points to
>> >> >> the
>> >> >> A. The A has an IP. That IP is the FE.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >( in our senario, we need to use the old exchange server as the
>> >> >> >fronend
>> >> >> >server since it is already named as Exchange, and Exchange server
>> >> >> >name
>> >> >> >cannot
>> >> >> >be changed. Of course, when setting up Frontend and backend, we
>> >> >> >will
>> >> >> >migrate
>> >> >> >mailboxes from the server called Exchange to the new server which
>> >> >> >will
>> >> >> >be the
>> >> >> >backend server)
>> >> >>
>> >> >> What the hell has the name of the server got to do with anything.
>> >> >> The
>> >> >> external name has no bearing on anything. You can give the server a
>> >> >> name that matches the naming convention of your organisation
>> >> >> (UKEX001,
>> >> >> planets, southpark characters, dog names WHATEVER) and you can have
>> >> >> the MX called "webmail" or "remote" or "something sensible" an have
>> >> >> an
>> >> >> A record of that name pointing at whatever your security boundary
>> >> >> is
>> >> >> (FE, firewall, ISA, WHATEVER)
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >"Mark Arnold [MVP]" wrote:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> On Thu, 26 Oct 2006 10:30:02 -0700, Lenny
>> >> >> >> <Lenny@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >Hi,
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >I do not think you understand my question, expecially, # 1.
>> >> >> >> >Let's
>> >> >> >> >try it
>> >> >> >> >again. Please forget about the previous question, let me
>> >> >> >> >rephrase
>> >> >> >> >it
>> >> >> >> >as
>> >> >> >> >following:
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >The question is: in a Front end and back end situation, the MX
>> >> >> >> >record
>> >> >> >> >should point to the front end. Please confirm.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Kind of. The MX record points to an A record. The A record
>> >> >> >> points
>> >> >> >> to
>> >> >> >> an IP address. The IP address there goes either to the FE or it
>> >> >> >> goes
>> >> >> >> to the firewall which forwards SMTP to the FE.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >The following senario will help you understand the real
>> >> >> >> >situation
>> >> >> >> >which
>> >> >> >> >boils down to one point: MX record should points to the
>> >> >> >> >frontend
>> >> >> >> >server.
>> >> >> >> >For example, the mx record for corp.com points to the record of
>> >> >> >> >an
>> >> >> >> >Exchange
>> >> >> >> >server: exchange.corp.com
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >And the exchange server is Exchange. Currently, the Exchange
>> >> >> >> >server
>> >> >> >> >is the
>> >> >> >> >only exchange server. However, we need to introduce another
>> >> >> >> >Exchange
>> >> >> >> >server
>> >> >> >> >and set up Frontend and backend topology. If we still want to
>> >> >> >> >keep
>> >> >> >> >the MX
>> >> >> >> >record the same, namely, all email to corp.com will be directed
>> >> >> >> >to
>> >> >> >> >exchange.corp.com. We should use the old server Exchange as
>> >> >> >> >the
>> >> >> >> >frontend
>> >> >> >> >server, and should not use it as the backend server - please
>> >> >> >> >confirm.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> Yeah, just ignore the whole thing with the MX records beyond
>> >> >> >> what I
>> >> >> >> said above. If you want a complete answer (and I was hoping youd
>> >> >> >> take
>> >> >> >> the hint earlier) then you need to tell us what that A record
>> >> >> >> points
>> >> >> >> to (physically)
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Eliminate from your head all thoughts of MX records, you do not
>> >> >> >> need
>> >> >> >> to involve yourself in such things.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>>
>>
>>