Runtime distribution - Microsoft's position

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I have an application that uses the Fox 2.5 runtime. There has been a =
request to provide the application to a Chinese customer so they can =
support a product my company has sold to them. I know that the runtime =
is freely distributable, but does that include China? =20

I am in the process of converting this same application to VFP 9.0. =
Does the answer to the above question apply to this converted =
application as well?

Would you be able to point me at the document(s) that site this =
information?

Thanks for your time

Steve
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RE: Runtime distribution - Microsoft's position by MichelRoy

MichelRoy
Thu Dec 01 11:42:04 CST 2005

4. EXPORT RESTRICTIONS. You agree that you will not export or re-export the
SOFTWARE, any part thereof, or any process or service that is the direct
product of the SOFTWARE (the foregoing collectively referred to as the
"Restricted Components"), to any country, person, entity or end user subject
to U.S. export restrictions. You specifically agree not to export or
re-export any of the Restricted Components (i) to any country to which the
U.S. has embargoed or restricted the export of goods or services, which
currently include, but are not necessarily limited to Cuba, Iran, Iraq,
Libya, North Korea, Sudan and Syria, or to any national of any such country,
wherever located, who intends to transmit or transport the Restricted
Components back to such country; (ii) to any end-user who you know or have
reason to know will utilize the Restricted Components in the design,
development or production of nuclear, chemical or biological weapons; or
(iii) to any end-user who has been prohibited from participating in U.S.
export transactions by any federal agency of the U.S. government. You warrant
and represent that neither the U.S. Commerce Department, Bureau of Export
Administration nor any other U.S. federal agency has suspended, revoked or
denied your export privileges.



"Steve Ritter" wrote:

> I have an application that uses the Fox 2.5 runtime. There has been a request to provide the application to a Chinese customer so they can support a product my company has sold to them. I know that the runtime is freely distributable, but does that include China?
>
> I am in the process of converting this same application to VFP 9.0. Does the answer to the above question apply to this converted application as well?
>
> Would you be able to point me at the document(s) that site this information?
>
> Thanks for your time
>
> Steve
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Re: Runtime distribution - Microsoft's position by Dan

Dan
Thu Dec 01 11:47:55 CST 2005

Which Fox 2.5? DOS, Windows, Unix or Mac? <g>

The license agreement has varied over the years. One version made it illegal
to distribute the runtime without an application, for instance.

See if the redist.txt file in your HOME() directory helps any.

Dan

Steve Ritter wrote:
> I have an application that uses the Fox 2.5 runtime. There has been
> a request to provide the application to a Chinese customer so they
> can support a product my company has sold to them. I know that the
> runtime is freely distributable, but does that include China?
>
> I am in the process of converting this same application to VFP 9.0.
> Does the answer to the above question apply to this converted
> application as well?
>
> Would you be able to point me at the document(s) that site this
> information?
>
> Thanks for your time
>
> Steve


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Re: Runtime distribution - Microsoft's position by TonySper

TonySper
Thu Dec 01 20:42:21 CST 2005

You have to be kidding!! You think they do not have it all by now??
TonySper

"Michel Roy" <MichelRoy@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:51283495-CA4C-4895-AA84-E07E35E2BF9E@microsoft.com...
4. EXPORT RESTRICTIONS. You agree that you will not export or
re-export the
SOFTWARE, any part thereof, or any process or service that is the
direct
product of the SOFTWARE (the foregoing collectively referred to as the
"Restricted Components"), to any country, person, entity or end user
subject
to U.S. export restrictions. You specifically agree not to export or
re-export any of the Restricted Components (i) to any country to which
the
U.S. has embargoed or restricted the export of goods or services,
which
currently include, but are not necessarily limited to Cuba, Iran,
Iraq,
Libya, North Korea, Sudan and Syria, or to any national of any such
country,
wherever located, who intends to transmit or transport the Restricted
Components back to such country; (ii) to any end-user who you know or
have
reason to know will utilize the Restricted Components in the design,
development or production of nuclear, chemical or biological weapons;
or
(iii) to any end-user who has been prohibited from participating in
U.S.
export transactions by any federal agency of the U.S. government. You
warrant
and represent that neither the U.S. Commerce Department, Bureau of
Export
Administration nor any other U.S. federal agency has suspended,
revoked or
denied your export privileges.



"Steve Ritter" wrote:

> I have an application that uses the Fox 2.5 runtime. There has been
> a request to provide the application to a Chinese customer so they
> can support a product my company has sold to them. I know that the
> runtime is freely distributable, but does that include China?
>
> I am in the process of converting this same application to VFP 9.0.
> Does the answer to the above question apply to this converted
> application as well?
>
> Would you be able to point me at the document(s) that site this
> information?
>
> Thanks for your time
>
> Steve


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Re: Runtime distribution - Microsoft's position by swdev2

swdev2
Sat Dec 03 02:01:03 CST 2005

Heya Steve -
I notice RockWellCollins has offices in BeiJing and ShangHai - you may want
to contact the legal offices there and ask the question.

If Chinese is a problem for you, then contact the Singapore office and ask -
they might take an extra day, but of course you'll get the right answer.

Way back when - there was actually a lawsuit with a PC maker in China who
was giving away FREE FoxPro IDE along with the Free MS Operating System.
Microsoft sued them, and won. Of course, thats really not about the run
time modules for a compiled app - but you get the general drift.

Currently -there are no restrictions to using VFP 9 run time modules in
China whatsoever. I say this after reviewing the redist.txt file that
shipped with the product.

Have you contacted your department's legal liason to ask these questions?

Also - after travelling around in BeiJing, ShangHai, GuangZhou and ShenZhen
attempting a VFP Consultancy, when I see a western company saying "provide
the application to a Chinese customer so they can support a product my
company has sold " then I'll tell you, for free, that your app will be
totally reverse engineered and redone. That's just how the bizness works
there..

warmest regards [Bill]
--
===================
William Sanders / EFG VFP / mySql / MS-SQL
www.efgroup.net/vfpwebhosting
www.terrafox.net www.viasqlserver.net

"Steve Ritter" <scritter@rockwellcollins.com> wrote in message
news:uXOJPWp9FHA.632@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
I have an application that uses the Fox 2.5 runtime. There has been a
request to provide the application to a Chinese customer so they can support
a product my company has sold to them. I know that the runtime is freely
distributable, but does that include China?

I am in the process of converting this same application to VFP 9.0. Does
the answer to the above question apply to this converted application as
well?

Would you be able to point me at the document(s) that site this information?

Thanks for your time

Steve


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Re: Runtime distribution - Microsoft's position by swdev2

swdev2
Sat Dec 03 02:02:53 CST 2005

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Heya Steve - the Beijing Office is here:=20
http://www.rockwellcollins.com/about/locations/china/index.html=20
so you might want to call up ol Martin or Tracy and ask them to procure =
a real legal opinion for your group.=20

regards [Bill]
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William Sanders / EFG VFP / mySql / MS-SQL=20
www.efgroup.net/vfpwebhosting=20
www.terrafox.net www.viasqlserver.net =20

"Steve Ritter" <scritter@rockwellcollins.com> wrote in message =
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I have an application that uses the Fox 2.5 runtime. There has been a =
request to provide the application to a Chinese customer so they can =
support a product my company has sold to them. I know that the runtime =
is freely distributable, but does that include China? =20
=20
I am in the process of converting this same application to VFP 9.0. =
Does the answer to the above question apply to this converted =
application as well?
=20
Would you be able to point me at the document(s) that site this =
information?
=20
Thanks for your time
=20
Steve

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or Tracy and=20
ask them to procure a real legal opinion for your group. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>regards [Bill]</FONT><BR>--=20
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<BR><A=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2>I have an application that =
uses the Fox=20
2.5 runtime.&nbsp; There has been a request to provide the application =
to a=20
Chinese customer so they can support&nbsp;a product my company has =
sold to=20
them.&nbsp; I know that the runtime is freely distributable, but does =
that=20
include China?&nbsp; </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2>I am in the process of =
converting this=20
same application to VFP 9.0.&nbsp; Does the answer to the above =
question apply=20
to this converted application as well?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2>Would&nbsp;you be able to =
point me at=20
the document(s) that site this information?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2>Thanks for your =
time</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS"=20
size=3D2>Steve</FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>

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