OK, I know this is basic and the answer is right before my eyes, but my eyes
are old and I can't find it....

I want to create a *&^%*&() help file and I'm looking for a
tutorial....where can I find how to info

Thank you

RE: Creating Help Files by Phrank

Phrank
Wed Nov 01 10:27:02 CST 2006



"Pastor Hank" wrote:

> OK, I know this is basic and the answer is right before my eyes, but my eyes
> are old and I can't find it....
>
> I want to create a *&^%*&() help file and I'm looking for a
> tutorial....where can I find how to info
>
> Thank you

Start here

http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/htmlhelp/html/vsconoverauth.asp

You generally create a help file and then use SET HELP TO to point to this
file. The help file creation program is free from microsoft. It is called
HTML help but don't be thrown by the name.

There are also 3rd party programs to create help files:

http://www.easyhtml.com/ and others. I have not used them. I use the one
from Microsoft but these others make it easier.

Don't forget about the help you can provide on forms like:

How to: Implement "What's This?" Help

The above is in the foxpro help file.

Also you can set the status bar to show a help message for each field on a
form.





Re: Creating Help Files by Dan

Dan
Wed Nov 01 10:37:24 CST 2006

See the topic "Creating Help" in the help file.

Dan

Pastor Hank wrote:
> OK, I know this is basic and the answer is right before my eyes, but
> my eyes are old and I can't find it....
>
> I want to create a *&^%*&() help file and I'm looking for a
> tutorial....where can I find how to info
>
> Thank you



Re: Creating Help Files by Josh

Josh
Wed Nov 01 10:43:27 CST 2006

search the *&^%*&() web.
look for any of the web authoring tools, some have some *&^%*&() manuals to
read & help you learn.

On Wed, 1 Nov 2006 05:41:02 -0800, Pastor Hank
<PastorHank@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

>OK, I know this is basic and the answer is right before my eyes, but my eyes
>are old and I can't find it....
>
>I want to create a *&^%*&() help file and I'm looking for a
>tutorial....where can I find how to info
>
>Thank you


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Re: Creating Help Files by PastorHank

PastorHank
Wed Nov 01 10:49:01 CST 2006

Dan,
That was the first thing I tried and when I type in 'Creating help' in the
search it returns no topics, when I type it in the index, it goes to
creatoffline(), when I type in 'help' it gives me activating, adding help
buttons, deactiving, but no Create.
Hence my coming here to find out a better way to typing it in.....

Phrank,
i've tried using the MS HTML Help Workshop and have created these html pages
with instructions and as soon as I go to compile I get an error saying not
enough hard drive space, even though there is 24 gigabytes available...

So I think I'll look for 3rd party assistance thanks for the links





"Dan Freeman" wrote:

> See the topic "Creating Help" in the help file.
>
> Dan
>
> Pastor Hank wrote:
> > OK, I know this is basic and the answer is right before my eyes, but
> > my eyes are old and I can't find it....
> >
> > I want to create a *&^%*&() help file and I'm looking for a
> > tutorial....where can I find how to info
> >
> > Thank you
>
>
>

Re: Creating Help Files by Dan

Dan
Wed Nov 01 13:17:12 CST 2006

I typed HELP HELP in the command window. There's a link to "Creating help"
in the help help topic.

(Yes, I could make that sentence more convoluted if I tried. <g>)

Dan

Pastor Hank wrote:
> Dan,
> That was the first thing I tried and when I type in 'Creating help'
> in the search it returns no topics, when I type it in the index, it
> goes to creatoffline(), when I type in 'help' it gives me activating,
> adding help buttons, deactiving, but no Create.
> Hence my coming here to find out a better way to typing it in.....
>
> Phrank,
> i've tried using the MS HTML Help Workshop and have created these
> html pages with instructions and as soon as I go to compile I get an
> error saying not enough hard drive space, even though there is 24
> gigabytes available...
>
> So I think I'll look for 3rd party assistance thanks for the links
>
>
>
>
>
> "Dan Freeman" wrote:
>
>> See the topic "Creating Help" in the help file.
>>
>> Dan
>>
>> Pastor Hank wrote:
>>> OK, I know this is basic and the answer is right before my eyes, but
>>> my eyes are old and I can't find it....
>>>
>>> I want to create a *&^%*&() help file and I'm looking for a
>>> tutorial....where can I find how to info
>>>
>>> Thank you



Re: Creating Help Files by PastorHank

PastorHank
Wed Nov 01 16:17:04 CST 2006

Gee Josh, Ya think?
I tried searching the web, I searched msdn, I've looked into various
programs, trust I try everything that I can think of before I post here.
Because quite often the reply people get is 'search the web'. If you can't
be more helpful, please ignore my posts. Your type of help I don't need.

"Josh Assing" wrote:

> search the *&^%*&() web.
> look for any of the web authoring tools, some have some *&^%*&() manuals to
> read & help you learn.
>
> On Wed, 1 Nov 2006 05:41:02 -0800, Pastor Hank
> <PastorHank@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
>
> >OK, I know this is basic and the answer is right before my eyes, but my eyes
> >are old and I can't find it....
> >
> >I want to create a *&^%*&() help file and I'm looking for a
> >tutorial....where can I find how to info
> >
> >Thank you
>
>
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Re: Creating Help Files by PastorHank

PastorHank
Wed Nov 01 16:20:02 CST 2006

Dan,
This is where it gets confusing. I type Help Help and I get links to
HELP Command
HELP Method
and nothing more. When I click on Help Command it gives me the syntax for
the help command and then

See Also
Reference
SET HELP Command
SET TOPIC Command

Other Resources

That's why I get lost. Now I am using VFP 9 if that makes a difference.

"Dan Freeman" wrote:

> I typed HELP HELP in the command window. There's a link to "Creating help"
> in the help help topic.
>
> (Yes, I could make that sentence more convoluted if I tried. <g>)
>
> Dan
>
> Pastor Hank wrote:
> > Dan,
> > That was the first thing I tried and when I type in 'Creating help'
> > in the search it returns no topics, when I type it in the index, it
> > goes to creatoffline(), when I type in 'help' it gives me activating,
> > adding help buttons, deactiving, but no Create.
> > Hence my coming here to find out a better way to typing it in.....
> >
> > Phrank,
> > i've tried using the MS HTML Help Workshop and have created these
> > html pages with instructions and as soon as I go to compile I get an
> > error saying not enough hard drive space, even though there is 24
> > gigabytes available...
> >
> > So I think I'll look for 3rd party assistance thanks for the links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "Dan Freeman" wrote:
> >
> >> See the topic "Creating Help" in the help file.
> >>
> >> Dan
> >>
> >> Pastor Hank wrote:
> >>> OK, I know this is basic and the answer is right before my eyes, but
> >>> my eyes are old and I can't find it....
> >>>
> >>> I want to create a *&^%*&() help file and I'm looking for a
> >>> tutorial....where can I find how to info
> >>>
> >>> Thank you
>
>
>

Re: Creating Help Files by Dan

Dan
Wed Nov 01 16:38:52 CST 2006

Ah, the help file has devolved. Someone probably complained about that link
in the VFP8 help system. LOL

It makes sense, sorta, that VFP doesn't have docs on creating help because
that's completely external to VFP. (Much the same way VFP doesn't contain
documentation on the Word object model.) I wasn't aware that help topic had
gone walkies, though. Sorry.

You can find the download for HTML Help Workshop and its documentation here:

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=00535334-c8a6-452f-9aa0-d597d16580cc&displaylang=en

Dan

Pastor Hank wrote:
> Dan,
> This is where it gets confusing. I type Help Help and I get links to
> HELP Command
> HELP Method
> and nothing more. When I click on Help Command it gives me the
> syntax for the help command and then
>
> See Also
> Reference
> SET HELP Command
> SET TOPIC Command
>
> Other Resources
>
> That's why I get lost. Now I am using VFP 9 if that makes a
> difference.
>
> "Dan Freeman" wrote:
>
>> I typed HELP HELP in the command window. There's a link to "Creating
>> help" in the help help topic.
>>
>> (Yes, I could make that sentence more convoluted if I tried. <g>)
>>
>> Dan
>>
>> Pastor Hank wrote:
>>> Dan,
>>> That was the first thing I tried and when I type in 'Creating help'
>>> in the search it returns no topics, when I type it in the index, it
>>> goes to creatoffline(), when I type in 'help' it gives me
>>> activating, adding help buttons, deactiving, but no Create.
>>> Hence my coming here to find out a better way to typing it in.....
>>>
>>> Phrank,
>>> i've tried using the MS HTML Help Workshop and have created these
>>> html pages with instructions and as soon as I go to compile I get an
>>> error saying not enough hard drive space, even though there is 24
>>> gigabytes available...
>>>
>>> So I think I'll look for 3rd party assistance thanks for the links
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Dan Freeman" wrote:
>>>
>>>> See the topic "Creating Help" in the help file.
>>>>
>>>> Dan
>>>>
>>>> Pastor Hank wrote:
>>>>> OK, I know this is basic and the answer is right before my eyes,
>>>>> but my eyes are old and I can't find it....
>>>>>
>>>>> I want to create a *&^%*&() help file and I'm looking for a
>>>>> tutorial....where can I find how to info
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you



Re: Creating Help Files by PastorHank

PastorHank
Wed Nov 01 16:48:02 CST 2006

Thank you. I'll give it a shot...and I see what you mean, hence my having to
buy in the past the 'MS Office automation with vfp' book

thanks again


"Dan Freeman" wrote:

> Ah, the help file has devolved. Someone probably complained about that link
> in the VFP8 help system. LOL
>
> It makes sense, sorta, that VFP doesn't have docs on creating help because
> that's completely external to VFP. (Much the same way VFP doesn't contain
> documentation on the Word object model.) I wasn't aware that help topic had
> gone walkies, though. Sorry.
>
> You can find the download for HTML Help Workshop and its documentation here:
>
> http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=00535334-c8a6-452f-9aa0-d597d16580cc&displaylang=en
>
> Dan
>
> Pastor Hank wrote:
> > Dan,
> > This is where it gets confusing. I type Help Help and I get links to
> > HELP Command
> > HELP Method
> > and nothing more. When I click on Help Command it gives me the
> > syntax for the help command and then
> >
> > See Also
> > Reference
> > SET HELP Command
> > SET TOPIC Command
> >
> > Other Resources
> >
> > That's why I get lost. Now I am using VFP 9 if that makes a
> > difference.
> >
> > "Dan Freeman" wrote:
> >
> >> I typed HELP HELP in the command window. There's a link to "Creating
> >> help" in the help help topic.
> >>
> >> (Yes, I could make that sentence more convoluted if I tried. <g>)
> >>
> >> Dan
> >>
> >> Pastor Hank wrote:
> >>> Dan,
> >>> That was the first thing I tried and when I type in 'Creating help'
> >>> in the search it returns no topics, when I type it in the index, it
> >>> goes to creatoffline(), when I type in 'help' it gives me
> >>> activating, adding help buttons, deactiving, but no Create.
> >>> Hence my coming here to find out a better way to typing it in.....
> >>>
> >>> Phrank,
> >>> i've tried using the MS HTML Help Workshop and have created these
> >>> html pages with instructions and as soon as I go to compile I get an
> >>> error saying not enough hard drive space, even though there is 24
> >>> gigabytes available...
> >>>
> >>> So I think I'll look for 3rd party assistance thanks for the links
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> "Dan Freeman" wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> See the topic "Creating Help" in the help file.
> >>>>
> >>>> Dan
> >>>>
> >>>> Pastor Hank wrote:
> >>>>> OK, I know this is basic and the answer is right before my eyes,
> >>>>> but my eyes are old and I can't find it....
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I want to create a *&^%*&() help file and I'm looking for a
> >>>>> tutorial....where can I find how to info
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Thank you
>
>
>

Re: Creating Help Files by Josh

Josh
Wed Nov 01 19:53:03 CST 2006


Noted & added to my kill file.

Pastor, you need to look within for help; becuase looking externally isn't
helping you.

I just downloaded 4 help authoring tools --- each one had a "how to" section &
some sort of "best practices" section in their documentation.

I find the less expensive ones actually have more help than the more helpful
(for instance RoboHelp seems to want to sell you a tutorial & extra
lesssons/documentation) vs helping you right off the bat.

Please add my email to your kill file as well.

I know that, no matter how much I read, I still can't make my own high density
silicon chip -- that's simply something I'd be resolved to pay to have done --
perhaps a help file is one of those outsourcing things.

-josh

On Wed, 1 Nov 2006 14:17:04 -0800, Pastor Hank
<PastorHank@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

>Gee Josh, Ya think?
>I tried searching the web, I searched msdn, I've looked into various
>programs, trust I try everything that I can think of before I post here.
>Because quite often the reply people get is 'search the web'. If you can't
>be more helpful, please ignore my posts. Your type of help I don't need.
>
>"Josh Assing" wrote:
>
>> search the *&^%*&() web.
>> look for any of the web authoring tools, some have some *&^%*&() manuals to
>> read & help you learn.
>>
>> On Wed, 1 Nov 2006 05:41:02 -0800, Pastor Hank
>> <PastorHank@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
>>
>> >OK, I know this is basic and the answer is right before my eyes, but my eyes
>> >are old and I can't find it....
>> >
>> >I want to create a *&^%*&() help file and I'm looking for a
>> >tutorial....where can I find how to info
>> >
>> >Thank you
>>
>>
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Re: Creating Help Files by Gene

Gene
Wed Nov 01 20:10:20 CST 2006

Josh Assing <XjoshX@jassing.com> wrote:

>
>Noted & added to my kill file.
>
>Pastor, you need to look within for help; becuase looking externally isn't
>helping you.

Mr. Assing, who pissed in your corn flakes?

[snip]

Sincerely,

Gene Wirchenko

Computerese Irregular Verb Conjugation:
I have preferences.
You have biases.
He/She has prejudices.

RE: Creating Help Files by Phrank

Phrank
Thu Nov 02 09:48:03 CST 2006



"Pastor Hank" wrote:

> OK, I know this is basic and the answer is right before my eyes, but my eyes
> are old and I can't find it....
>
> I want to create a *&^%*&() help file and I'm looking for a
> tutorial....where can I find how to info
>
> Thank you

Maybe I can shed a little more light on this for you. I have designed help
for several projects in the past. Here is how we do it:

1. Design a manual in Word. Use a "Master Document" to control formatting
for the entire manual. Each chapter would be a sub-document. The master
document just has links to each sub-document. Lets say you have a customers
database in your application. You would create a Customers.doc by pasting the
customer screen in the document and then describing each button you have on
the form. Add / Edit / Delete / and the nav buttons etc. You also would
describe each field on the form.

The master document would have a name like myapp.doc. myapp being the name
of your application. An overview would be a chapter and also a sub-document.
Maybe you have an inventory database thus create an Inventory.doc. You Master
Document in word would just have links to each chapter. Review 'Master
Documents" in the word help. It is easy.

Once the manual is done in word you can have it printed if the customers
wants a printed manual. Next you open each chapter and save it as an html
file. Do this with Save As and the Type button. You then open the HtmlHelp
program and import each chapter. IE. Import the Overview.html document and
next maybe the Customers.html. Next maybe Inventory.html. etc.

Then choose the compile button in the HtmlHelp program. It creates a manual
just like the one you designed in word but has an extension of .chm. Look in
your c:\windows\help directory on your pc and you will find that microsoft
has all of the main help files created this way. Something .chm.

In your VFP program you use a Set Help To myapp.chm. Then when a user hits
the F1 key your chm help file will come up and look just like all the ones
they are used to seeing in windows - Even the VFP help file.

Hope this helps. Takes a little patience - like learning any new program -
but works well.

Re: Creating Help Files by Dan

Dan
Thu Nov 02 11:26:11 CST 2006

Just a couple of thoughts on this ....

1. "Master Document" here does not refer (I hope) to the Microsoft Word
feature called "Master Document". <s> Even Microsoft will tell you not to
use that feature.

2. The ABSOLUTE WORST WAY IN THE WORLD to create HTML is to use any Office
app, and Word is possibly the worst of the lot.

3. The best help authoring tool I've used is actually a Fox application. Go
to http://www.west-wind.com and download his help builder. It's designed for
documenting class libraries (and .NET assemblies) but it's a dandy general
purpose help tool as well.

Dan

Phrank wrote:
> "Pastor Hank" wrote:
>
>> OK, I know this is basic and the answer is right before my eyes, but
>> my eyes are old and I can't find it....
>>
>> I want to create a *&^%*&() help file and I'm looking for a
>> tutorial....where can I find how to info
>>
>> Thank you
>
> Maybe I can shed a little more light on this for you. I have designed
> help for several projects in the past. Here is how we do it:
>
> 1. Design a manual in Word. Use a "Master Document" to control
> formatting for the entire manual. Each chapter would be a
> sub-document. The master document just has links to each
> sub-document. Lets say you have a customers database in your
> application. You would create a Customers.doc by pasting the customer
> screen in the document and then describing each button you have on
> the form. Add / Edit / Delete / and the nav buttons etc. You also
> would describe each field on the form.
>
> The master document would have a name like myapp.doc. myapp being the
> name of your application. An overview would be a chapter and also a
> sub-document. Maybe you have an inventory database thus create an
> Inventory.doc. You Master Document in word would just have links to
> each chapter. Review 'Master Documents" in the word help. It is easy.
>
> Once the manual is done in word you can have it printed if the
> customers wants a printed manual. Next you open each chapter and save
> it as an html file. Do this with Save As and the Type button. You
> then open the HtmlHelp program and import each chapter. IE. Import
> the Overview.html document and next maybe the Customers.html. Next
> maybe Inventory.html. etc.
>
> Then choose the compile button in the HtmlHelp program. It creates a
> manual just like the one you designed in word but has an extension of
> .chm. Look in your c:\windows\help directory on your pc and you will
> find that microsoft has all of the main help files created this way.
> Something .chm.
>
> In your VFP program you use a Set Help To myapp.chm. Then when a user
> hits the F1 key your chm help file will come up and look just like
> all the ones they are used to seeing in windows - Even the VFP help
> file.
>
> Hope this helps. Takes a little patience - like learning any new
> program - but works well.



Re: Creating Help Files by tim_witort

tim_witort
Thu Nov 02 18:55:29 CST 2006

=?Utf-8?B?UGFzdG9yIEhhbms=?= seemed to utter in
news:BB3C4EEB-0E50-49B3-9F48-86C9A70FD8DF@microsoft.com:

> OK, I know this is basic and the answer is right before my eyes, but my
> eyes are old and I can't find it....
>
> I want to create a *&^%*&() help file and I'm looking for a
> tutorial....where can I find how to info

Take a look at Help and Manual. By far the easiest and most flexible
way to create and manage a help file & manual. I've been using it
for years with great results:

www.helpandmanual.com

-- TRW
_______________________________________
t i m
a t
w i t o r t d o t c o m
_______________________________________

Re: Creating Help Files by jeff

jeff
Sun Nov 05 17:07:32 CST 2006

On 11/1/2006 7:41:05 AM, Pastor Hank wrote:
>OK, I know this is basic and the answer is right before my eyes, but my eyes
>are old and I can't find it....
>
>I want to create a *&^%*&() help file and I'm looking for a
>tutorial....where can I find how to info
>
>Thank you
>

I have had the same issue. I hated using HTML help, it has to be one of the most
antiquated tools in the Microsoft line. After searching for a while, I found an
inexpensive [$40 for the license that I needed] alternative.

http://www.sunrav.com/

Granted, in my VFP projects, I usually kind of cheat and just dump help stuff
into a table but this is a much nicer approach.