No VFP

At the risk of seeming utterly self-concerned, I was wondering what
the easiest path might be for VFP programmers. I don't think I can in
good conscience start a new project in VFP. Does anyone know what
languages and developer interfaces are similar? I hope Microsoft
gives us some guidance. It seems as though they should drop Access
and keep VFP.

I started with dBase II, went on to DBXL, then finally Fox. This
whole thing is very sad news because I love Fox.

I'd love to hear from others.

Monique.

Man-wai
Sat Mar 17 23:55:40 CDT 2007

> At the risk of seeming utterly self-concerned, I was wondering what
> the easiest path might be for VFP programmers. I don't think I can in
> I started with dBase II, went on to DBXL, then finally Fox. This
> whole thing is very sad news because I love Fox.

I am very interested in LAMP: linux, apache, mysql, php
Of course, when you cpde web applications, you need to learn HTML,
XHTML, CSS (Cascading Style Sheets) and Javascript as well.


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Man-wai
Sun Mar 18 00:00:37 CDT 2007

> I am very interested in LAMP: linux, apache, mysql, php
> Of course, when you cpde web applications, you need to learn HTML,
> XHTML, CSS (Cascading Style Sheets) and Javascript as well.
>
>

And you may want your customers to use Firefox as browser rather than
the strange IE,

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Claude
Sun Mar 18 10:34:42 CDT 2007

VFP isn't going anyplace (how can a company kill a computer language?). MS
made it official as far as supporting VFP but, in reality, the best
additions to the language recently have come from the community or from the
VFP team under the radar of MS (ie Calvin Hsia and addition of
multi-threading on his blog!). VFP open source will continue and make VFP a
kind of PHP/Perl/Ruby kind of thing, IMHO. We might even see bigger and
better additions like a VFP.NET compiler (see etecnologia). The end result
is that we continue using VFP to develop and it's transparent to users and
people who might otherwise be biased against fox.. For example, a web
application that was developed with VFP has an .aspx extension (see
ActiveVFP) or, in the case of a VFP.NET compiler, the latest hardware
(64bit) and OSs can be used...

"Monique" <monique@costill.com> wrote in message
news:1174186619.727171.215100@b75g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
> At the risk of seeming utterly self-concerned, I was wondering what
> the easiest path might be for VFP programmers. I don't think I can in
> good conscience start a new project in VFP. Does anyone know what
> languages and developer interfaces are similar? I hope Microsoft
> gives us some guidance. It seems as though they should drop Access
> and keep VFP.
>
> I started with dBase II, went on to DBXL, then finally Fox. This
> whole thing is very sad news because I love Fox.
>
> I'd love to hear from others.
>
> Monique.
>

swdev2
Sun Mar 18 22:22:53 CDT 2007

Hi Monique.
Let's See -
It's 2007.
Extended Support Ends in 2015.
Regular Support, I THINK, ends in 2014.
[Opinion]
MS has not yet set a date to STOP selling it, either direct or through it's
resellers, but I read somewhere
that MS MIGHT stop selling it a year before the end of the Regular Support
Date.

So you'll still be able to buy it (maybe) up to 2013. That's 6 years from
now.
Can you make money with VFP in those 6 years? I would think THAT would be
the
question you should be asking yourself.
[/Opinion]

Warmest Regards [Bill]
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"Monique" <monique@costill.com> wrote in message
news:1174186619.727171.215100@b75g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
> At the risk of seeming utterly self-concerned, I was wondering what
> the easiest path might be for VFP programmers. I don't think I can in
> good conscience start a new project in VFP. Does anyone know what
> languages and developer interfaces are similar? I hope Microsoft
> gives us some guidance. It seems as though they should drop Access
> and keep VFP.
>
> I started with dBase II, went on to DBXL, then finally Fox. This
> whole thing is very sad news because I love Fox.
>
> I'd love to hear from others.
>
> Monique.
>

Man-wai
Sun Mar 18 21:19:30 CDT 2007

> multi-threading on his blog!). VFP open source will continue and make VFP a
> kind of PHP/Perl/Ruby kind of thing, IMHO. We might even see bigger and

VFP open source???

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swdev2
Sun Mar 18 22:35:25 CDT 2007

Hullo Let of Toy.

Basically things done for VFPx and VFPy are released through the codeplex
web site and are considered 'open source'
Check it out when you get a chance.

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"Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> > multi-threading on his blog!). VFP open source will continue and make
VFP a
> > kind of PHP/Perl/Ruby kind of thing, IMHO. We might even see bigger
and
>
> VFP open source???
>
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> Website: http://www.itech.com.hk (IE only)
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Dan
Sun Mar 18 22:23:41 CDT 2007

Hi Monique,

Well, first of all, don't panic. VFP may be on its last dance, but COBOL has
been on that last dance for 20 years or more.

For new development, a lot depends on what you need to do.

For basic development, there is nothing inherently wrong with Visual Studio.

For developing broadly distributed database applications, well, take a look
at MS Access. At least it's still shipping.

We develop vertical market (read: shrink-wrap) software for distribution.
Many of our customers have been snarking for Linux support on the desktop.
That's a horse of a different color. I'm leaning towards RealBasic from
realsoftware.com. It allows Windows/Mac/Linux cross platform development.
But you may not have that requirement.

You need to decide on your requirements and then find the dev environment
that best meets them.

Dan


"Monique" <monique@costill.com> wrote in message
news:1174186619.727171.215100@b75g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
> At the risk of seeming utterly self-concerned, I was wondering what
> the easiest path might be for VFP programmers. I don't think I can in
> good conscience start a new project in VFP. Does anyone know what
> languages and developer interfaces are similar? I hope Microsoft
> gives us some guidance. It seems as though they should drop Access
> and keep VFP.
>
> I started with dBase II, went on to DBXL, then finally Fox. This
> whole thing is very sad news because I love Fox.
>
> I'd love to hear from others.
>
> Monique.
>

Man-wai
Mon Mar 19 06:45:04 CDT 2007

swdev2 wrote:
> Hullo Let of Toy.
>
> Basically things done for VFPx and VFPy are released through the codeplex

Thanks.

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Craig
Mon Mar 19 11:38:04 CDT 2007

IMO, Access is not a choice. It's morphing into some kind of SharePoint
database. Take a serious look at VB.Net. Many members of the VFP are now
working on it and it is looking more and more like VFP all the time. I've
seen what's coming in future versions and you'll be shocked by the
similarities.

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"Monique" <monique@costill.com> wrote in message
news:1174186619.727171.215100@b75g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
> At the risk of seeming utterly self-concerned, I was wondering what
> the easiest path might be for VFP programmers. I don't think I can in
> good conscience start a new project in VFP. Does anyone know what
> languages and developer interfaces are similar? I hope Microsoft
> gives us some guidance. It seems as though they should drop Access
> and keep VFP.
>
> I started with dBase II, went on to DBXL, then finally Fox. This
> whole thing is very sad news because I love Fox.
>
> I'd love to hear from others.
>
> Monique.
>

Curtis
Wed Mar 21 17:01:26 CDT 2007

> So you'll still be able to buy it (maybe) up to 2013. That's 6 years from
> now.
> Can you make money with VFP in those 6 years? I would think THAT would be
> the

In my opinion you would be doing your customers a serious disservice if you
developed anything that has a planned death in 6 years. Besides that the
FoxPro development skills you acquire during this process, will soon no
longer be needed. I would suggest looking at many alternatives such as
Python as programming language and Postgresql as a backend database. I
discovered a very interesting framework for Python today that was developed
by FoxPro developers. I would suggest checking it at,
http://dabo.leafe.com/.



Again any new development in FoxPro in my opinion would be a serious
mistake.

swdev2
Wed Mar 21 20:37:57 CDT 2007

Congrats, Curtis - you found it today!!!
Dabo has been a work in progress for at least 18 months, and IMO is a viable
alternative.
As you dig into Dabo, please note that most of it mimics the CodeBook
Framework
that Ed Leafe worked on. If you are familar with CodeBook, you'll be able
to assimilate
Dabo quite easily.

The url you've listed is new to me - But the content is exactly the same
stuff listed over at http://www.dabodev.com

Regards [Bill]

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"Curtis" <csch_nu@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> > So you'll still be able to buy it (maybe) up to 2013. That's 6 years
from
> > now.
> > Can you make money with VFP in those 6 years? I would think THAT would
be
> > the
>
> In my opinion you would be doing your customers a serious disservice if
you
> developed anything that has a planned death in 6 years. Besides that the
> FoxPro development skills you acquire during this process, will soon no
> longer be needed. I would suggest looking at many alternatives such as
> Python as programming language and Postgresql as a backend database. I
> discovered a very interesting framework for Python today that was
developed
> by FoxPro developers. I would suggest checking it at,
> http://dabo.leafe.com/.
>
>
>
> Again any new development in FoxPro in my opinion would be a serious
> mistake.
>
>
>
>

Curtis
Thu Mar 22 13:23:00 CDT 2007

It looks promising, hopefully they will continue to make some development
progress. From the looks of Dabo it will give current Foxpro programmers
some familar ground as far as development of a GUI.

"swdev2" <wsanders@dotnetconversions.bob.com> wrote in message
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> Congrats, Curtis - you found it today!!!
> Dabo has been a work in progress for at least 18 months, and IMO is a
> viable
> alternative.
> As you dig into Dabo, please note that most of it mimics the CodeBook
> Framework
> that Ed Leafe worked on. If you are familar with CodeBook, you'll be able
> to assimilate
> Dabo quite easily.
>
> The url you've listed is new to me - But the content is exactly the same
> stuff listed over at http://www.dabodev.com
>
> Regards [Bill]
>
> --
> ===================
> William Sanders / EFG VFP / mySql / MS-SQL
> www.efgroup.net/vfpwebhosting
> www.terrafox.net www.viasqlserver.net
>
> "Curtis" <csch_nu@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:#ATC7RAbHHA.5080@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>> > So you'll still be able to buy it (maybe) up to 2013. That's 6 years
> from
>> > now.
>> > Can you make money with VFP in those 6 years? I would think THAT would
> be
>> > the
>>
>> In my opinion you would be doing your customers a serious disservice if
> you
>> developed anything that has a planned death in 6 years. Besides that the
>> FoxPro development skills you acquire during this process, will soon no
>> longer be needed. I would suggest looking at many alternatives such as
>> Python as programming language and Postgresql as a backend database. I
>> discovered a very interesting framework for Python today that was
> developed
>> by FoxPro developers. I would suggest checking it at,
>> http://dabo.leafe.com/.
>>
>>
>>
>> Again any new development in FoxPro in my opinion would be a serious
>> mistake.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>

Cindy
Fri Mar 23 15:26:23 CDT 2007

There are some non-US countries that require a year of free support when a
software product is sold. Thus the likelihood of a limit on sales as a year
before the end of the support period.

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"swdev2" <wsanders@dotnetconversions.bob.com> wrote in message
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> ...I read somewhere
> that MS MIGHT stop selling it a year before the end of the Regular Support
> Date.