Hi all,

I have a CCR clus with an SCR target at a DR site. The question is
regarding performing backups from the SCR target. I know SCR does not permit
any types of backups since the database header are changed when replicated to
SCR and TLogs are purged. So, performing backup on a SCR target with db
portability is not
feasable.
But, what if I had a 2 node passive clus SCR target. After a failover, you
would have a full CCR clus at the DR site. Now would it be possible to
perform backups from the active node [streaming]? if not then i geuss one has
to account for theextra log space that this DR CCR CLus would generate for
the duration of a 'failover' since CCR would wait to update the passive node
as well as sCR Target
[if defined]?

Also, what is the failback scenario if you have a 2 node passive SCR target
and you failover. NOw you would have a CCR clus at the DR site, would you
have to define the 'enable-storagegroupcopy' again to establish SCR
source/target?

TIA
Jason

Re: SCR by Elan

Elan
Mon Sep 29 13:26:03 CDT 2008

One you recover your cluster at the SCR target site, it becomes your
active cluster. Because of this, you should begin backing up this
cluster depending on when and if you will transfer the active roles back
to the previous datacenter.

The following article gives the precise details on how to failover to an
SCR Target Site, making your old datacenter an SCR Target, optionally
transitioning your previous primary datacenter to become the new SCR
Source, etc...
http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb738150(EXCHG.80).aspx

--
Elan Shudnow
http://www.shudnow.net



"JX" <JX@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:6A50A472-7308-490E-A2F9-7D6BE0C26C11@microsoft.com:

> Hi all,
>
> I have a CCR clus with an SCR target at a DR site. The question is
> regarding performing backups from the SCR target. I know SCR does not permit
> any types of backups since the database header are changed when replicated to
> SCR and TLogs are purged. So, performing backup on a SCR target with db
> portability is not
> feasable.
> But, what if I had a 2 node passive clus SCR target. After a failover, you
> would have a full CCR clus at the DR site. Now would it be possible to
> perform backups from the active node [streaming]? if not then i geuss one has
> to account for theextra log space that this DR CCR CLus would generate for
> the duration of a 'failover' since CCR would wait to update the passive node
> as well as sCR Target
> [if defined]?
>
> Also, what is the failback scenario if you have a 2 node passive SCR target
> and you failover. NOw you would have a CCR clus at the DR site, would you
> have to define the 'enable-storagegroupcopy' again to establish SCR
> source/target?
>
> TIA
> Jason


Re: SCR by JX

JX
Mon Sep 29 14:26:01 CDT 2008

Elan,

Thaks for the reply.
The backups can be done after you failover to an SCR target which is now
your CCR clust. Correct? But would you be able to perform backups in a
database portability scenario where you only have a single SCR target box
with no CMS passive clus role installed?

"Elan Shudnow" wrote:

> One you recover your cluster at the SCR target site, it becomes your
> active cluster. Because of this, you should begin backing up this
> cluster depending on when and if you will transfer the active roles back
> to the previous datacenter.
>
> The following article gives the precise details on how to failover to an
> SCR Target Site, making your old datacenter an SCR Target, optionally
> transitioning your previous primary datacenter to become the new SCR
> Source, etc...
> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb738150(EXCHG.80).aspx
>
> --
> Elan Shudnow
> http://www.shudnow.net
>
>
>
> "JX" <JX@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:6A50A472-7308-490E-A2F9-7D6BE0C26C11@microsoft.com:
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I have a CCR clus with an SCR target at a DR site. The question is
> > regarding performing backups from the SCR target. I know SCR does not permit
> > any types of backups since the database header are changed when replicated to
> > SCR and TLogs are purged. So, performing backup on a SCR target with db
> > portability is not
> > feasable.
> > But, what if I had a 2 node passive clus SCR target. After a failover, you
> > would have a full CCR clus at the DR site. Now would it be possible to
> > perform backups from the active node [streaming]? if not then i geuss one has
> > to account for theextra log space that this DR CCR CLus would generate for
> > the duration of a 'failover' since CCR would wait to update the passive node
> > as well as sCR Target
> > [if defined]?
> >
> > Also, what is the failback scenario if you have a 2 node passive SCR target
> > and you failover. NOw you would have a CCR clus at the DR site, would you
> > have to define the 'enable-storagegroupcopy' again to establish SCR
> > source/target?
> >
> > TIA
> > Jason
>
>

Re: SCR by JX

JX
Mon Sep 29 15:52:00 CDT 2008

Elan,
I know that you cant backup an SCR. And that when you do /recoverCMS you
would have a CCR clus config and you can then backup that CCR Active node.

But my other question was regarding having a single SCR box in db
portability scenario, which has no CMS/passive node installed on it. Now in
that scenario, if the primary site goes down and you bring the SCR box
online, can you perform backups from that box at DR site? at this point its
is no longer an SCR Target, its a mbx server.

Thanks.

"Elan Shudnow" wrote:

> You can't back up an SCR target. If you were to failover to an SCR
> target so that it is now the active mailbox server and no longer an SCR
> target, it can then be backed up. So to directly answer your question,
> no. You will first need to go through the motions of making your SCR
> target your active mailbox server (recovering CMS, etc...) prior to
> initiating a backup on it.
>
> --
> Elan Shudnow
> http://www.shudnow.net
>
>
>
> "JX" <JX@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:D36DB85A-9D1F-49D8-814B-9134C1BDF8DA@microsoft.com:
>
> > Elan,
> >
> > Thaks for the reply.
> > The backups can be done after you failover to an SCR target which is now
> > your CCR clust. Correct? But would you be able to perform backups in a
> > database portability scenario where you only have a single SCR target box
> > with no CMS passive clus role installed?
> >
> > "Elan Shudnow" wrote:
> >
> >
> > > One you recover your cluster at the SCR target site, it becomes your
> > > active cluster. Because of this, you should begin backing up this
> > > cluster depending on when and if you will transfer the active roles back
> > > to the previous datacenter.
> > >
> > > The following article gives the precise details on how to failover to an
> > > SCR Target Site, making your old datacenter an SCR Target, optionally
> > > transitioning your previous primary datacenter to become the new SCR
> > > Source, etc...
> > > http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb738150(EXCHG.80).aspx
> > >
> > > --
> > > Elan Shudnow
> > > http://www.shudnow.net
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > "JX" <JX@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> > > news:6A50A472-7308-490E-A2F9-7D6BE0C26C11@microsoft.com:
> > >
> >
> > > > Hi all,
> > > >
> > > > I have a CCR clus with an SCR target at a DR site. The question is
> > > > regarding performing backups from the SCR target. I know SCR does not permit
> > > > any types of backups since the database header are changed when replicated to
> > > > SCR and TLogs are purged. So, performing backup on a SCR target with db
> > > > portability is not
> > > > feasable.
> > > > But, what if I had a 2 node passive clus SCR target. After a failover, you
> > > > would have a full CCR clus at the DR site. Now would it be possible to
> > > > perform backups from the active node [streaming]? if not then i geuss one has
> > > > to account for theextra log space that this DR CCR CLus would generate for
> > > > the duration of a 'failover' since CCR would wait to update the passive node
> > > > as well as sCR Target
> > > > [if defined]?
> > > >
> > > > Also, what is the failback scenario if you have a 2 node passive SCR target
> > > > and you failover. NOw you would have a CCR clus at the DR site, would you
> > > > have to define the 'enable-storagegroupcopy' again to establish SCR
> > > > source/target?
> > > >
> > > > TIA
> > > > Jason
> > >
> >
> > >
>
>