If I type 'o' followed by '/' when composing the body of a plain text
message, these two characters combine magically to create =F8 (<- "Latin
small letter o with stroke"). Similarly, if I type 'l' followed by
'/', I get l (which is "Latin small letter l with stroke").

This only happens when composing plain text messages, and only when I
use Monaco 10 as the fixed-width font (e.g., courier-new does not
combine these characters).

I am using Entourage 11.1 and MacOS 10.3.9.

What's up with this. I don't see this behavior in other apps using
this font; Word, TextEdit, etc all work fine.

Re: characters combining when composing plain-text messages by matt

matt
Fri May 20 09:46:42 CDT 2005

et01267 <etiffany@alum.mit.edu> wrote:

> If I type 'o' followed by '/' when composing the body of a plain text
> message, these two characters combine magically to create ø (<- "Latin
> small letter o with stroke"). Similarly, if I type 'l' followed by
> '/', I get l (which is "Latin small letter l with stroke").
>
> This only happens when composing plain text messages, and only when I
> use Monaco 10 as the fixed-width font (e.g., courier-new does not
> combine these characters).
>
> I am using Entourage 11.1 and MacOS 10.3.9.
>
> What's up with this. I don't see this behavior in other apps using
> this font; Word, TextEdit, etc all work fine.

Although this occurs for you in Entourage, it doesn't seem like an
Entourage behavior; I could be wrong, but it sounds to me like some
other program or input method is interfering. m.


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Re: characters combining when composing plain-text messages by Daiya

Daiya
Fri May 20 09:57:26 CDT 2005

>> If I type 'o' followed by '/' when composing the body of a plain text
>> message, these two characters combine magically to create ø (<- "Latin
>> small letter o with stroke"). Similarly, if I type 'l' followed by
>> '/', I get l (which is "Latin small letter l with stroke").
>>
>> This only happens when composing plain text messages, and only when I
>> use Monaco 10 as the fixed-width font (e.g., courier-new does not
>> combine these characters).
>>
>> I am using Entourage 11.1 and MacOS 10.3.9.
>>
>> What's up with this. I don't see this behavior in other apps using
>> this font; Word, TextEdit, etc all work fine.
>
> Although this occurs for you in Entourage, it doesn't seem like an
> Entourage behavior; I could be wrong, but it sounds to me like some
> other program or input method is interfering. m.
>
When I first switched to OS X/Ent 2004, this happened to me with Palatino, I
think (not totally sure of the letter combinations, but stuff was changing).
But I'm pretty sure that the characters sent properly, it was just their
display on my computer that was off.

I didn't fix it, though, I just switched fonts to Calisto.

You could turn off AutoCorrect in Tools | AutoCorrect and see if it makes a
difference.



Re: characters combining when composing plain-text messages by Paul

Paul
Fri May 20 10:51:29 CDT 2005

On 5/20/05 7:57 AM, in article BEB348E6.2F7D2%daiyaNOSPAM@mvps.org.INVALID,
"Daiya Mitchell" <daiyaNOSPAM@mvps.org.INVALID> wrote:

>>> If I type 'o' followed by '/' when composing the body of a plain text
>>> message, these two characters combine magically to create ø (<- "Latin
>>> small letter o with stroke"). Similarly, if I type 'l' followed by
>>> '/', I get l (which is "Latin small letter l with stroke").
>>>
>>> This only happens when composing plain text messages, and only when I
>>> use Monaco 10 as the fixed-width font (e.g., courier-new does not
>>> combine these characters).
>>>
>>> I am using Entourage 11.1 and MacOS 10.3.9.
>>>
>>> What's up with this. I don't see this behavior in other apps using
>>> this font; Word, TextEdit, etc all work fine.
>>
>> Although this occurs for you in Entourage, it doesn't seem like an
>> Entourage behavior; I could be wrong, but it sounds to me like some
>> other program or input method is interfering. m.
>>
> When I first switched to OS X/Ent 2004, this happened to me with Palatino, I
> think (not totally sure of the letter combinations, but stuff was changing).
> But I'm pretty sure that the characters sent properly, it was just their
> display on my computer that was off.
>
> I didn't fix it, though, I just switched fonts to Calisto.
>
> You could turn off AutoCorrect in Tools | AutoCorrect and see if it makes a
> difference.


I don't see these in AutoCorrect, an it wouldn't make sense to affect only
one font and size.

One thing which really sounds odd is

>> This only happens when composing plain text messages,

So it does not happen in HTML using Monaco 10??

That would seem to imply some sort of "other program" as Matt says. You
("et01267" - do you mind using a real name, please?) say

>> What's up with this. I don't see this behavior in other apps using
>> this font; Word, TextEdit, etc all work fine.

Word is not plain text. TextEdit windows by default are RTF. How about if
you go to Format/Make Plain Text in TextEdit? Do you see it then too?


I recall that there were discussions early in Entourage 2004 (using new
ATSUI formats) about strange goings-on with 10-pt. Monaco. It has something
to do with OS X ATSUI. People were advised to use an alternate font ProFont
or ProFontISOLatin.

<http://www.mail-archive.com/entourage-talk@lists.letterrip.com/msg14117.htm
l>

But this sounds different.
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Re: characters combining when composing plain-text messages by et01267

et01267
Fri May 20 13:56:46 CDT 2005

Paul Berkowitz wrote:

>
> So it does not happen in HTML using Monaco 10??

That's right. Of course, I haven't done an exhaustive search, but I
can't make it happen in Monaco 10 in HTML.

>
> That would seem to imply some sort of "other program" as Matt says.
You
> ("et01267" - do you mind using a real name, please?) say

Yeah, that's me. Eric Tiffany.


> Word is not plain text. TextEdit windows by default are RTF. How
about if
> you go to Format/Make Plain Text in TextEdit? Do you see it then too?

No. It only seems to happen in Entourage. Turning off the autocorrect
doesn't help.

>
>
> I recall that there were discussions early in Entourage 2004 (using
new
> ATSUI formats) about strange goings-on with 10-pt. Monaco. It has
something
> to do with OS X ATSUI. People were advised to use an alternate font
ProFont
> or ProFontISOLatin.
>
>
<http://www.mail-archive.com/entourage-talk@lists.letterrip.com/msg14117.htm
> l>

I'll check this out. Thanks. And thanks for the
Sync-Entourage-AddressBook


>
> But this sounds different.
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Re: characters combining when composing plain-text messages by et01267

et01267
Fri May 20 14:09:46 CDT 2005

Oh, but if I do HTML in Palatino, I get the same behavior. 'o' with
slash through it, and 'l' with slash. These are actually separate
Unicode characters 00F8 and 0142 (at least when they display).


Re: characters combining when composing plain-text messages by Paul

Paul
Sat May 21 00:10:16 CDT 2005

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On 5/20/05 12:09 PM, in article
1116616186.134389.66770@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com, "et01267"
<etiffany@alum.mit.edu> wrote:

> Oh, but if I do HTML in Palatino, I get the same behavior. 'o' with
> slash through it, and 'l' with slash. These are actually separate
> Unicode characters 00F8 and 0142 (at least when they display).

o/ l/ Yup - I confirm that. (This is Palatino 12: I made those by o + / and
l + /).

And not only that - it happens in TextEdit too - in both RTF and Plain Text
(you have to change the font back to Palatino from Monaco 10, which just so
happens to be the default when you switch to plain text).

Maybe once upon a time, before there were separate keyboards and language
kits this was a way to get these characters, in Palatino at least. (Note
that option-o also gets ø in all fonts, but option-l gets ¬. ) I wonder if
this behavior in plain text Monaco 10 was something that Entourage
developers once enabled while they were testing code, or more likely just
something they did wrong.

Anyway, call it a bug. If you really want plain text Monaco 10, check out
ProFont and ProFontISOLatin as alternatives.

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Re: characters combining when composing plain-text messages by Barry

Barry
Sat May 21 03:51:11 CDT 2005

On 20/5/05 2:07 pm, in article
1116594449.381396.112660@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com, "et01267"
<etiffany@alum.mit.edu> wrote:

> If I type 'o' followed by '/' when composing the body of a plain text
> message, these two characters combine magically to create ø (<- "Latin
> small letter o with stroke"). Similarly, if I type 'l' followed by
> '/', I get l (which is "Latin small letter l with stroke").
>
> This only happens when composing plain text messages, and only when I
> use Monaco 10 as the fixed-width font (e.g., courier-new does not
> combine these characters).
>
> I am using Entourage 11.1 and MacOS 10.3.9.
>
> What's up with this. I don't see this behavior in other apps using
> this font; Word, TextEdit, etc all work fine.
>

It's a display glitch in the Apple Text drawing routines. If you change your
display font they will display correctly. Your recipients will also see the
correct characters - they are just compressed on your screen.

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