Viewing Inbox and Sent Items

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In ²Inbox² when I click on ³From², only some entries are sorted LastName,
FirstName. Most are organized by FirstName Last Name, while others yet are
sorted by emailers¹ Email Address? Some messages from my wife, issued from
her work email, are sorted by either such that some of her messages appear
one location, the rest somewhere else.

My preference is to have the Sort Column organize the entries by LastName,
FirstName.

How do I accomplish this to achieve consistency? Why do email addresses
creep into the fray, even when the sender is already listed in the Address
Book?

I am experiencing similar phenomena with respect to the ³To² column in ³Sent
Items.² I¹ll get messages to Peter D. Rabbit sorted under ³Peter D.
Rabbit² in quotation marks at the top of the sort, and more messages sent to
Peter D. Rabbit in a Peter D. Rabbit section without quotation marks.

How come?

Sam Bays
<bays.samuel@verizon.net>

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My preference is to have the Sort Column organize the entries by LastName, =
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How do I accomplish this to achieve consistency? Why do email addresses cre=
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I am experiencing similar phenomena with respect to the “To” co=
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How come? 
 
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<bays.samuel@verizon.net> 
 

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matt
Mon Jul 25 10:52:01 CDT 2005

Sam Bays <sbays@westminstercrackers.com> wrote:

> My preference is to have the Sort Column organize the entries by LastName,
> FirstName.
>
> How do I accomplish this to achieve consistency?

Sorry, there is no LastName or FirstName column. Entourage parses email
addresses however it parses them. Not all email addresses include name
information (separately from the true address) and even when they do
there is nothing that says what word is what part of the name. What's
the first name in The Disney Company <mickey@mouse.com>? How would you
expect Entourage to parse this? m.

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Allen
Mon Jul 25 12:54:25 CDT 2005

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It largely depends on how the display name and e-mail address are given by
the sender. If there is no name, it will sort by the e-mail address. If the
name is in quotes, the quoted form will sort separately from the unquoted
form. It's a mess, frankly, but it isn't really the fault of Entourage.

Perhaps you can more closely approximate what you want by typing the name
you want in the quick filter box, which will find the string you type
anywhere in the sender name field. Type "mike" and you'll be viewing
messages with that string anywhere in the name field:

Mike Jones
Jones, Mike
"Mike"
mike@someisp.com

However, if the sender is "Sam Smith <akamike@someisp.com>" it will not
match, because quick filter searches only the name, not the actual e-mail
address. If You want that, you'll need to do the Advanced Find command.

On 7/25/05 8:44 AM, in article BF0A8106.97FC%sbays@westminstercrackers.com,
"Sam Bays" <sbays@westminstercrackers.com> wrote:

> In ²Inbox² when I click on ³From², only some entries are sorted LastName,
> FirstName. Most are organized by FirstName Last Name, while others yet are
> sorted by emailers¹ Email Address? Some messages from my wife, issued from
> her work email, are sorted by either such that some of her messages appear one
> location, the rest somewhere else.
>
> My preference is to have the Sort Column organize the entries by LastName,
> FirstName.
>
> How do I accomplish this to achieve consistency? Why do email addresses creep
> into the fray, even when the sender is already listed in the Address Book?
>
> I am experiencing similar phenomena with respect to the ³To² column in ³Sent
> Items.² I¹ll get messages to Peter D. Rabbit sorted under ³Peter D. Rabbit²
> in quotation marks at the top of the sort, and more messages sent to Peter D.
> Rabbit in a Peter D. Rabbit section without quotation marks.
>
> How come?
>
> Sam Bays
> <bays.samuel@verizon.net>
>
>

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nds on how the display name and e-mail address are given by the sender. If t=
here is no name, it will sort by the e-mail address. If the name is in quote=
s, the quoted form will sort separately from the unquoted form. It's a mess,=
frankly, but it isn't really the fault of Entourage. 
 
Perhaps you can more closely approximate what you want by typing the name y=
ou want in the quick filter box, which will find the string you type anywher=
e in the sender name field. Type "mike" and you'll be viewing mess=
ages with that string anywhere in the name field: 
 
    Mike Jones 
    Jones, Mike 
    "Mike" 
    mike@someisp.com 
 
However, if the sender is "Sam Smith <akamike@someisp.com>"=
it will not match, because quick filter searches only the name, not the act=
ual e-mail address. If You want that, you'll need to do the Advanced Find co=
mmand. 
 
 
On 7/25/05 8:44 AM, in article BF0A8106.97FC%sbays@westminstercrackers.com,=
"Sam Bays" <sbays@westminstercrackers.com> wrote: 
 
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k on “From”, only some entries are sorted LastName, FirstName. M=
ost are organized by FirstName Last Name, while others yet are sorted by ema=
ilers’ Email Address?  Some messages from my wife, issued from he=
r work email, are sorted by either such that some of her messages appear one=
location, the rest somewhere else. 
 
My preference is to have the Sort Column organize the entries by LastName, =
FirstName. 
 
How do I accomplish this to achieve consistency? Why do email addresses cre=
ep into the fray, even when the sender is already listed in the Address Book=
? 
 
I am experiencing similar phenomena with respect to the “To” co=
lumn in “Sent Items.”  I’ll get messages to  Pet=
er D. Rabbit  sorted under “Peter D. Rabbit” in quotation m=
arks at the top of the sort, and more messages sent to Peter D. Rabbit in a =
Peter D. Rabbit section without quotation marks. 
 
How come? 
 
Sam Bays 
<bays.samuel@verizon.net> 
 
 
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matt
Mon Jul 25 13:06:48 CDT 2005

Allen Watson <allenwatson@earthlink.net> wrote:

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> It largely depends on how the display name and e-mail address are given by
> the sender. If there is no name, it will sort by the e-mail address. If the
> name is in quotes, the quoted form will sort separately from the unquoted
> form. It's a mess, frankly, but it isn't really the fault of Entourage.
>
> Perhaps you can more closely approximate what you want by typing the name
> you want in the quick filter box, which will find the string you type
> anywhere in the sender name field. Type "mike" and you'll be viewing
> messages with that string anywhere in the name field:
>
> Mike Jones
> Jones, Mike
> "Mike"
> mike@someisp.com
>
> However, if the sender is "Sam Smith <akamike@someisp.com>" it will not
> match, because quick filter searches only the name, not the actual e-mail
> address. If You want that, you'll need to do the Advanced Find command.

The OP is sorting, not searching. - I take it from private
correspondence that his expectation is that Entourage should turn to its
own address book, match up addresses with entries there, and use the
name as listed there. This seems like a reasonable expectation and
would, as I told him, make a good feature request. (I think Apple Mail
does something of the kind.) m.

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Allen
Mon Jul 25 13:34:59 CDT 2005

I'm aware he wanted to SORT, not SEARCH. I was just suggesting that, in the
absence of a sort solution, he might approximately meet his needs by
searching on one name at a time.

On 7/25/05 11:06 AM, in article 1h095ed.12cu3gz1493rfaN%matt@tidbits.com,
"matt neuburg" <matt@tidbits.com> wrote:

> Allen Watson <allenwatson@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>>> This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand
>> this format, some or all of this message may not be legible.
>>
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>>
>> It largely depends on how the display name and e-mail address are given by
>> the sender. If there is no name, it will sort by the e-mail address. If the
>> name is in quotes, the quoted form will sort separately from the unquoted
>> form. It's a mess, frankly, but it isn't really the fault of Entourage.
>>
>> Perhaps you can more closely approximate what you want by typing the name
>> you want in the quick filter box, which will find the string you type
>> anywhere in the sender name field. Type "mike" and you'll be viewing
>> messages with that string anywhere in the name field:
>>
>> Mike Jones
>> Jones, Mike
>> "Mike"
>> mike@someisp.com
>>
>> However, if the sender is "Sam Smith <akamike@someisp.com>" it will not
>> match, because quick filter searches only the name, not the actual e-mail
>> address. If You want that, you'll need to do the Advanced Find command.
>
> The OP is sorting, not searching. - I take it from private
> correspondence that his expectation is that Entourage should turn to its
> own address book, match up addresses with entries there, and use the
> name as listed there. This seems like a reasonable expectation and
> would, as I told him, make a good feature request. (I think Apple Mail
> does something of the kind.) m.
>

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