Does Entourage support OpenType fonts?

Hi folks,

So I downloaded this really nice monospaced font from here:

<http://www.levien.com/type/myfonts/inconsolata.html>

Then I ran /Applications/Font Book, chose File > Add Fonts, and
selected the file I downloaded, Inconsolata.otf.

Font Book placed the file into ~/Library/Fonts/Inconsolata.otf

I want to use this font for plain text messages in Entourage.
Unfortunately, while the font does show up in the font menu of a slew
of other programs (all of them, AFAICT), it does *not* show up in the
Entourage font menu. : (

According to the MVP site, Office does indeed look in the ~/Library/Fonts menu:

<http://www.entourage.mvps.org/troubleshoot/bad_font.html>

And I've seen various Office version release notes that state that
other applications in Office (Powerpoint, Word) support OTF fonts:

<http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macosx/14980&vid=167494>

The question is: Does Entourage support OTF fonts?

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Jolly
Tue Sep 11 08:05:21 PDT 2007

Ok this isn't making sense.

So just for grins, I quit Entourage, and used FontForge
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FontForge> to generate two TrueType
versions of the font:

Inconsolata.dfont
Inconsolata.ttf

I opened these with Font Book to view them and they appear fine.

I placed them into ~/Library/Fonts.

When I ran Entourage again, I expected to see at least one of them in
the font menu, but neither one is there!

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Jolly
Tue Sep 11 08:18:36 PDT 2007

On 2007-09-11 10:05:21 -0500, Jolly Roger <wbyylebtre@cbobk.pbz> said:

> Ok this isn't making sense.
>
> So just for grins, I quit Entourage, and used FontForge
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FontForge> to generate two TrueType
> versions of the font:
>
> Inconsolata.dfont
> Inconsolata.ttf
>
> I opened these with Font Book to view them and they appear fine.
>
> I placed them into ~/Library/Fonts.
>
> When I ran Entourage again, I expected to see at least one of them in
> the font menu, but neither one is there!

Ok I figured out that Entourage does *not* look at the fonts in
~/Library/Fonts. I quit Entourage, moved the OTF font to the
/Library/Fonts folder, and ran Entourage again, and it showed up in the
Entourage font menu.

I suggest adding a note to
<http://www.entourage.mvps.org/troubleshoot/bad_font.html> stating that
Entourage does not appear to look at fonts installed into
~/Library/Fonts, which is, unfortunately, where Font Book puts them by
default.

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Diane
Tue Sep 11 16:34:29 PDT 2007

Jolly,

Where exactly did you get the Inconsolata fonts? What is the exact text you
click on to download the font on the referenced page?

<http://www.levien.com/type/myfonts/inconsolata.html>


One other thing. Let's include this thread in the Office newsgroup. There
are several MVPs there that are knowledgeable on general Office questions
that would be able to add to this discussion

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Below are three messages from Jolly Roger on fonts:

Hi folks,

So I downloaded this really nice monospaced font from here:

<http://www.levien.com/type/myfonts/inconsolata.html>

Then I ran /Applications/Font Book, chose File > Add Fonts, and
selected the file I downloaded, Inconsolata.otf.

Font Book placed the file into ~/Library/Fonts/Inconsolata.otf

I want to use this font for plain text messages in Entourage.
Unfortunately, while the font does show up in the font menu of a slew
of other programs (all of them, AFAICT), it does *not* show up in the
Entourage font menu. : (

According to the MVP site, Office does indeed look in the ~/Library/Fonts
menu:

<http://www.entourage.mvps.org/troubleshoot/bad_font.html>

And I've seen various Office version release notes that state that
other applications in Office (Powerpoint, Word) support OTF fonts:

<http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macosx/14980&vid=167494>

The question is: Does Entourage support OTF fonts?


On 9/11/07 8:05 AM, in article 2007091110052175249-wbyylebtre@cbobkpbz,
"Jolly Roger" <wbyylebtre@cbobk.pbz> wrote:

> Ok this isn't making sense.
>
> So just for grins, I quit Entourage, and used FontForge
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FontForge> to generate two TrueType
> versions of the font:
>
> Inconsolata.dfont
> Inconsolata.ttf
>
> I opened these with Font Book to view them and they appear fine.
>
> I placed them into ~/Library/Fonts.
>
> When I ran Entourage again, I expected to see at least one of them in
> the font menu, but neither one is there!
>
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> Apply rot13 to this e-mail address before using it.
>
> JR
>
Ok I figured out that Entourage does *not* look at the fonts in
~/Library/Fonts. I quit Entourage, moved the OTF font to the
/Library/Fonts folder, and ran Entourage again, and it showed up in the
Entourage font menu.

I suggest adding a note to
<http://www.entourage.mvps.org/troubleshoot/bad_font.html> stating that
Entourage does not appear to look at fonts installed into
~/Library/Fonts, which is, unfortunately, where Font Book puts them by
default.

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Entourage Help Blog <http://blog.entourage.mvps.org/>

Jolly
Tue Sep 11 17:12:45 PDT 2007

On 2007-09-11 18:34:29 -0500, Diane <diane@invalid.entourage.mvps.org> said:

> Where exactly did you get the Inconsolata fonts? What is the exact text you
> click on to download the font on the referenced page?
>
> <http://www.levien.com/type/myfonts/inconsolata.html>

Click the "OpenType file" link to download the "Inconsolata.otf" font
(it's an OpenType font) to your system. Then use Font Book's File >
Install Fonts menu command to load it and use it.

But as I found out (see my initial posts), any font will do. Entourage
seems to simply ignore any fonts in the user domain
(/Users/*/Library/Fonts/). The only way I found to get the font to show
up in Entourage was to move it to the local domain (/Library/Fonts/).

> One other thing. Let's include this thread in the Office newsgroup. There
> are several MVPs there that are knowledgeable on general Office questions
> that would be able to add to this discussion

Fine by me!

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Diane
Tue Sep 11 17:26:01 PDT 2007

On 9/11/07 5:12 PM, in article 2007091119124575249-wbyylebtre@cbobkpbz,
"Jolly Roger" <wbyylebtre@cbobk.pbz> wrote:

> Click the "OpenType file" link to download the "Inconsolata.otf" font
> (it's an OpenType font) to your system. Then use Font Book's File >
> Install Fonts menu command to load it and use it.

It's opening a page with the text showing. How do you get this to download
as a file?

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Jolly
Tue Sep 11 19:05:27 PDT 2007

On 2007-09-11 19:26:01 -0500, Diane <diane@invalid.entourage.mvps.org> said:

> On 9/11/07 5:12 PM, in article 2007091119124575249-wbyylebtre@cbobkpbz,
> "Jolly Roger" <wbyylebtre@cbobk.pbz> wrote:
>
>> Click the "OpenType file" link to download the "Inconsolata.otf" font
>> (it's an OpenType font) to your system. Then use Font Book's File >
>> Install Fonts menu command to load it and use it.
>
> It's opening a page with the text showing. How do you get this to download
> as a file?

Right-click it and choose Download Linked File (Safari) or Save Link As
(Firefox) to download it to your hard disk.

Note that Safari, stupidly, gives it the .txt extension, which you will
need to remove before using the font.

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William
Sat Sep 22 14:11:48 PDT 2007

Jolly Roger wrote:
> On 2007-09-11 10:05:21 -0500, Jolly Roger <wbyylebtre@cbobk.pbz> said:
>

> Ok I figured out that Entourage does *not* look at the fonts in
> ~/Library/Fonts. I quit Entourage, moved the OTF font to the
> /Library/Fonts folder, and ran Entourage again, and it showed up in the
> Entourage font menu.
>
> I suggest adding a note to
> <http://www.entourage.mvps.org/troubleshoot/bad_font.html> stating that
> Entourage does not appear to look at fonts installed into
> ~/Library/Fonts, which is, unfortunately, where Font Book puts them by
> default.

Hi JR!

Entourage should use all system fonts locations. I'm not really sure if
it can discriminate since it should be the Mac OS passing along the font
information.

Did you restart your machine to update your font caches? Did you try a
font cache cleaner yet?

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Entourage Help Blog <http://blog.entourage.mvps.org/>

Jolly
Sat Sep 22 18:23:49 PDT 2007

On 2007-09-22 16:11:48 -0500, William Smith
<mecklists@REM0VETH1S.comcast.net> said:

> Jolly Roger wrote:
>> On 2007-09-11 10:05:21 -0500, Jolly Roger <wbyylebtre@cbobk.pbz> said:
>>
>> Ok I figured out that Entourage does *not* look at the fonts in
>> ~/Library/Fonts. I quit Entourage, moved the OTF font to the
>> /Library/Fonts folder, and ran Entourage again, and it showed up in the
>> Entourage font menu.
>>
>> I suggest adding a note to
>> <http://www.entourage.mvps.org/troubleshoot/bad_font.html> stating that
>> Entourage does not appear to look at fonts installed into
>> ~/Library/Fonts, which is, unfortunately, where Font Book puts them by
>> default.
>
> Entourage should use all system fonts locations. I'm not really sure if
> it can discriminate since it should be the Mac OS passing along the
> font information.

I'm not so sure about that. Like I said, other applications saw the
font just fine - Entourage wouldn't see it until I moved it out of my
home folder into the local domain /Library/Fonts folder.

> Did you restart your machine to update your font caches? Did you try a
> font cache cleaner yet?

No. To tell you the truth, once I figured out that Entourage saw the
font in /Library/Fonts, I left it there and went about my business. ; )

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William
Sun Sep 23 09:53:49 PDT 2007

Jolly Roger wrote:

> No. To tell you the truth, once I figured out that Entourage saw the
> font in /Library/Fonts, I left it there and went about my business. ; )

Just like me. If it works, it works. ;-)

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