[ANNOUNCE] Google Problem

It appears that for some unknown reason, it is now impossible to post from
Google to many of the Microsoft newsgroups. If you try, you get a variation
on this: "Google Groups does not currently support posting to
microsoft.public.mac.office.word".

We have no idea why this is happening (nor does Microsoft) but perhaps we
can get it fixed if we all post to <groups-support@google.com> and ask for
an explanation and a resolution. Even if you don't access the newsgroups
via Google, you could help those users who do and there are many by
posting such a message.

Thanks to all who take the time to help.

Please note that you can bypass Google (or other web access methods) by
setting up Entourage or Outlook Express to act as a newsreader. Here's how:

1. In the Entourage (or OE) Folders list, click on the Microsoft News
Server icon. Click OK when asked if you want the newsgroups to download.
(If the Microsoft News Server icon does not appear in your folder list, see
here: <http://www.entourage.mvps.org/help/start.html#Anchor-newsgroup>)

2. Once the list of newsgroups downloads, use the "Display newsgroups
containing" box at the upper right to search on "mac" (no quotes). That
will bring up all the Macintosh newsgroups. The current Mac groups for
Office applications begin like this: microsoft.public.mac.office followed
by .word or .excel or .entourage, etc. Select a newsgroup you're interested
in and click Subscribe on the menu bar. The newsgroup will now display in
bold and you will also find it in the folder list below the Microsoft News
Server Icon. If you don't see it, click the arrow to the left of the server
icon to expand the list of subscribed newsgroups.

3. Now click on any subscribed newsgroup in the folder list (or
double-click from the preview pane) and it will open, downloading your quota
of message headers. (You can change the number of downloaded headers in
Tools/Accounts/News/Microsoft News Server/Options.)

4. Click on any header and the message body will download into the
Preview Pane. Click the Reply to Newsgroup button to reply to the displayed
message or the New button to start a new thread.

--
Beth Rosengard
Mac MVP

Mac Word FAQ: <http://www.mvps.org/word/FAQs/WordMac/index.html>
Entourage Help Page: <http://www.entourage.mvps.org/toc.html>

rafael
Mon Aug 04 14:59:07 CDT 2003

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Beth,
You've given me these instructions before and they're good.
I have a friend who's on PC. I'm encouraging him to get into newsgroups.
Would you're explanation of bypassing Google apply to someone who's
working on a PC?
Thanks,
Rafael

--------------------------
Beth's explanation:

Please note that you can bypass Google (or other web access methods) by
setting up Entourage or Outlook Express to act as a newsreader. Here's how:

1. In the Entourage (or OE) Folders list, click on the Microsoft News
Server icon. Click OK when asked if you want the newsgroups to download.
(If the Microsoft News Server icon does not appear in your folder list, see
here: <http://www.entourage.mvps.org/help/start.html#Anchor-newsgroup>)

2. Once the list of newsgroups downloads, use the "Display newsgroups
containing" box at the upper right to search on "mac" (no quotes). That
will bring up all the Macintosh newsgroups. The current Mac groups for
Office applications begin like this: microsoft.public.mac.office followed
by .word or .excel or .entourage, etc. Select a newsgroup you're interested
in and click Subscribe on the menu bar. The newsgroup will now display in
bold and you will also find it in the folder list below the Microsoft News
Server Icon. If you don't see it, click the arrow to the left of the server
icon to expand the list of subscribed newsgroups.

3. Now click on any subscribed newsgroup in the folder list (or
double-click from the preview pane) and it will open, downloading your quota
of message headers. (You can change the number of downloaded headers in
Tools/Accounts/News/Microsoft News Server/Options.)

4. Click on any header and the message body will download into the
Preview Pane. Click the Reply to Newsgroup button to reply to the displayed
message or the New button to start a new thread.

--
Beth Rosengard
Mac MVP

Mac Word FAQ: <http://www.mvps.org/word/FAQs/WordMac/index.html>
Entourage Help Page: <http://www.entourage.mvps.org/toc.html>

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   Would you're explanation of bypassing Google apply to so=
meone who's working on a PC? 
Thanks, 
   Rafael 
 
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Beth's explanation: 
 
Please note that you can bypass Google (or other web access methods) by 
setting up Entourage or Outlook Express to act as a newsreader.  Here'=
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by .word or .excel or .entourage, etc.  Select a newsgroup you're inte=
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Server Icon.  If you don't see it, click the arrow to the left of the =
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3.    Now click on any subscribed newsgroup in the folder li=
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double-click from the preview pane) and it will open, downloading your quot=
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4.    Click on any header and the message body will download=
into the 
Preview Pane.  Click the Reply to Newsgroup button to reply to the dis=
played 
message or the New button to start a new thread. 
 
-- 
Beth Rosengard 
Mac MVP 
 
Mac Word FAQ:  <http://www.mvps.org/word/F=
AQs/WordMac/index.html> 
Entourage Help Page:  <http://www.entourag=
e.mvps.org/toc.html> 
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bethrosengard
Mon Aug 04 23:56:03 CDT 2003

I just got a post from Google saying that they have identified and
fixed the problem. Thanks to all who helped out with this. I'm
posting now from Google so if you see this message, you'll know that
everything is back to normal.

Beth

Beth Rosengard <bethrosengard@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:<BB54138B.27499%bethrosengard@earthlink.net>...

It appears that for some unknown reason, it is now impossible to post
from Google to many of the Microsoft newsgroups.

friedlandstaying
Tue Aug 05 02:46:39 CDT 2003

I had the same problem trying to post to this newsgroup using Google
for the past ten days. It only compounded my frustrations. I finally
found a way to post by going through the Microsoft Support Web site
here:

http://support.microsoft.com/newsgroups/default.aspx?NewsGroup=microsoft.public.mac.office.entourage&SLCID=US&ICP=GSS3&sd=GN&id=fh;en-us;newsgroups

Sorry for the long URL.
I have already written to Google Groups Support about the problem.

Kurt
Wed Sep 14 21:41:23 CDT 2005

In article <ec58dea7.0308042056.ede2ff5@posting.google.com>,
bethrosengard@earthlink.net (Beth Rosengard) wrote:

> I just got a post from Google saying that they have identified and
> fixed the problem. Thanks to all who helped out with this. I'm
> posting now from Google so if you see this message, you'll know that
> everything is back to normal.
>
> Beth
>
>
> Beth Rosengard <bethrosengard@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:<BB54138B.27499%bethrosengard@earthlink.net>...
>
> It appears that for some unknown reason, it is now impossible to post
> from Google to many of the Microsoft newsgroups.

For Mac users, by far the best news reading program is MTNewswatcher.
Forget the others.

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Barry
Thu Sep 15 06:36:30 CDT 2005

On 15/9/05 03:41, in article
labolide-12899A.19412214092005@news.giganews.com, "Kurt"
<labolide@spacegmail.com> wrote:

> In article <ec58dea7.0308042056.ede2ff5@posting.google.com>,
> bethrosengard@earthlink.net (Beth Rosengard) wrote:
>
>> I just got a post from Google saying that they have identified and
>> fixed the problem. Thanks to all who helped out with this. I'm
>> posting now from Google so if you see this message, you'll know that
>> everything is back to normal.
>>
>> Beth
>>
>>
>> Beth Rosengard <bethrosengard@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>> news:<BB54138B.27499%bethrosengard@earthlink.net>...
>>
>> It appears that for some unknown reason, it is now impossible to post
>> from Google to many of the Microsoft newsgroups.
>
> For Mac users, by far the best news reading program is MTNewswatcher.
> Forget the others.

While I agree that MTNW is an excellent programme, far more capable &
feature rich than Entourage, I tend to use the entourage news functions more
than MTNW, simply because it is always there and available in entourage
without having to fire up another app.

The MS news server used to be ready configured in the standard install - is
that not still the case?

--
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Microsoft MVP (see http://mvp.support.microsoft.com for details)
Seen the All-New Entourage Help Pages? - Check them out:
<http://www.entourage.mvps.org/>

JE
Thu Sep 15 08:02:34 CDT 2005

In article <labolide-12899A.19412214092005@news.giganews.com>,
Kurt <labolide@spacegmail.com> wrote:

> For Mac users, by far the best news reading program is MTNewswatcher.
> Forget the others.

While I tend to agree with you - I use MTNW myself - it has a pretty
significant learning curve compared to Entourage. For occasional
reading, Entourage is perfectly adequate. There can also be an
efficiency cost to using another application.

I suspect you'll find a few MacSoup adherents that would dispute MTNW's
"best" rating - it has some advantages, too, and MTNW is getting very
long in the tooth.

Lastly, there's an infrequent, but annoying bug in MTNW that crashes it
when trying to open a list of articles. Doesn't happen very often and
I'm not sure what sets it off (some sort of header corruption,
undoubtedly), but when it does (and it seems to only happen to me on the
msnews servers) the only fix I've found is to mark everything read.

I can telnet to the sever to read the unread posts, or use Entourage.

Kurt
Thu Sep 15 13:31:02 CDT 2005

In article <jemcgimpsey-A7438A.07023415092005@msnews.microsoft.com>,
JE McGimpsey <jemcgimpsey@mvps.org> wrote:

> In article <labolide-12899A.19412214092005@news.giganews.com>,
> Kurt <labolide@spacegmail.com> wrote:
>
> > For Mac users, by far the best news reading program is MTNewswatcher.
> > Forget the others.
>
> While I tend to agree with you - I use MTNW myself - it has a pretty
> significant learning curve compared to Entourage. For occasional
> reading, Entourage is perfectly adequate. There can also be an
> efficiency cost to using another application.

Aside from initial configuration (I use GigaNews) I found it pretty
straightforward. Entourage is fine for occaisional use, but I do a lot
on Newsgroups. Prefer them to web-based forums for speed of access.
>
> I suspect you'll find a few MacSoup adherents that would dispute MTNW's
> "best" rating - it has some advantages, too, and MTNW is getting very
> long in the tooth.
>
> Lastly, there's an infrequent, but annoying bug in MTNW that crashes it
> when trying to open a list of articles. Doesn't happen very often and
> I'm not sure what sets it off (some sort of header corruption,
> undoubtedly), but when it does (and it seems to only happen to me on the
> msnews servers) the only fix I've found is to mark everything read.

In all my years of using MTNW, never had that happen.
It's been very stable program, plus it starts up instantly, with all my
favorite groups easy to access in a very small footprint, which means I
can do other things without having a huge area taken up by the Entourage
window. Great filters and everything else...
Don't know about MacSoup

>
> I can telnet to the sever to read the unread posts, or use Entourage.

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Jim
Sun Sep 18 11:44:31 CDT 2005

I've been using Thunderbird as my reader of choice. May I have your
opinions regarding T-bird vs MT?

-Jim

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Mac MVP
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<http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=fh;EN-US;mvpfaqs>

Kurt wrote:
> In article <jemcgimpsey-A7438A.07023415092005@msnews.microsoft.com>,
> JE McGimpsey <jemcgimpsey@mvps.org> wrote:
>
>
>>In article <labolide-12899A.19412214092005@news.giganews.com>,
>> Kurt <labolide@spacegmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>For Mac users, by far the best news reading program is MTNewswatcher.
>>>Forget the others.
>>
>>While I tend to agree with you - I use MTNW myself - it has a pretty
>>significant learning curve compared to Entourage. For occasional
>>reading, Entourage is perfectly adequate. There can also be an
>>efficiency cost to using another application.
>
>
> Aside from initial configuration (I use GigaNews) I found it pretty
> straightforward. Entourage is fine for occaisional use, but I do a lot
> on Newsgroups. Prefer them to web-based forums for speed of access.
>
>>I suspect you'll find a few MacSoup adherents that would dispute MTNW's
>>"best" rating - it has some advantages, too, and MTNW is getting very
>>long in the tooth.
>>
>>Lastly, there's an infrequent, but annoying bug in MTNW that crashes it
>>when trying to open a list of articles. Doesn't happen very often and
>>I'm not sure what sets it off (some sort of header corruption,
>>undoubtedly), but when it does (and it seems to only happen to me on the
>>msnews servers) the only fix I've found is to mark everything read.
>
>
> In all my years of using MTNW, never had that happen.
> It's been very stable program, plus it starts up instantly, with all my
> favorite groups easy to access in a very small footprint, which means I
> can do other things without having a huge area taken up by the Entourage
> window. Great filters and everything else...
> Don't know about MacSoup
>
>
>
>>I can telnet to the sever to read the unread posts, or use Entourage.
>
>

Kurt
Sun Sep 18 16:23:56 CDT 2005

I'll try it and let you know.

In article <uCjG$AHvFHA.3452@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl>,
Jim Gordon MVP <goldkey74@WarmerThanWarmMail.com> wrote:

> I've been using Thunderbird as my reader of choice. May I have your
> opinions regarding T-bird vs MT?
>
> -Jim
>
> --
> Jim Gordon
> Mac MVP
> MVP FAQ
> <http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=fh;EN-US;mvpfaqs>
>
>
> Kurt wrote:
> > In article <jemcgimpsey-A7438A.07023415092005@msnews.microsoft.com>,
> > JE McGimpsey <jemcgimpsey@mvps.org> wrote:
> >
> >
> >>In article <labolide-12899A.19412214092005@news.giganews.com>,
> >> Kurt <labolide@spacegmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>For Mac users, by far the best news reading program is MTNewswatcher.
> >>>Forget the others.
> >>
> >>While I tend to agree with you - I use MTNW myself - it has a pretty
> >>significant learning curve compared to Entourage. For occasional
> >>reading, Entourage is perfectly adequate. There can also be an
> >>efficiency cost to using another application.
> >
> >
> > Aside from initial configuration (I use GigaNews) I found it pretty
> > straightforward. Entourage is fine for occaisional use, but I do a lot
> > on Newsgroups. Prefer them to web-based forums for speed of access.
> >
> >>I suspect you'll find a few MacSoup adherents that would dispute MTNW's
> >>"best" rating - it has some advantages, too, and MTNW is getting very
> >>long in the tooth.
> >>
> >>Lastly, there's an infrequent, but annoying bug in MTNW that crashes it
> >>when trying to open a list of articles. Doesn't happen very often and
> >>I'm not sure what sets it off (some sort of header corruption,
> >>undoubtedly), but when it does (and it seems to only happen to me on the
> >>msnews servers) the only fix I've found is to mark everything read.
> >
> >
> > In all my years of using MTNW, never had that happen.
> > It's been very stable program, plus it starts up instantly, with all my
> > favorite groups easy to access in a very small footprint, which means I
> > can do other things without having a huge area taken up by the Entourage
> > window. Great filters and everything else...
> > Don't know about MacSoup
> >
> >
> >
> >>I can telnet to the sever to read the unread posts, or use Entourage.
> >
> >

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Kurt
Sun Sep 18 20:04:25 CDT 2005

In article <labolide-4D791B.14235518092005@news.giganews.com>,
Kurt <labolide@spacegmail.com> wrote:

> I'll try it and let you know.
>
> In article <uCjG$AHvFHA.3452@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl>,
> Jim Gordon MVP <goldkey74@WarmerThanWarmMail.com> wrote:
>
> > I've been using Thunderbird as my reader of choice. May I have your
> > opinions regarding T-bird vs MT?
> >
Well, just downloaded it, and right of the bat- it's much like Entourage
in design and window footprint. Don't need another mail program.
MT gets my vote all day long for making it so that takes up very little
space on the desktop.

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Paul
Sun Sep 18 21:50:17 CDT 2005

On 9/18/05 6:04 PM, in article
labolide-680940.18042418092005@news.giganews.com, "Kurt"
<labolide@spacegmail.com> wrote:

>>> I've been using Thunderbird as my reader of choice. May I have your
>>> opinions regarding T-bird vs MT?
>>>
> Well, just downloaded it, and right of the bat- it's much like Entourage
> in design and window footprint. Don't need another mail program.
> MT gets my vote all day long for making it so that takes up very little
> space on the desktop.

You have a small desktop? Or why is that an advantage?

(P.S. Why was this ever cross-posted to 5 newsgroups?)

--
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MVP MacOffice
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AppleScripts for Entourage: <http://macscripter.net/scriptbuilders/>

Please "Reply To Newsgroup" to reply to this message. Emails will be
ignored.

PLEASE always state which version of Microsoft Office you are using -
**2004**, X or 2001. It's often impossible to answer your questions
otherwise.

Beth
Mon Sep 19 01:13:34 CDT 2005

It may have been me that did that. It's so long ago that I don't remember.
At the time, the Google posting problem was relevant to multiple groups, but
the thread has been hijacked since and the title is now inappropriate. I
suggest that whoever is interested in keeping the current thread alive
change the subject and post to the single most appropriate group.

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MacOffice MVP

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On 9/18/05 7:50 PM, in article BF537579.AF4F4%berkowit@spoof_silcom.com,
"Paul Berkowitz" <berkowit@spoof_silcom.com> wrote:

> (P.S. Why was this ever cross-posted to 5 newsgroups?)

Kurt
Mon Sep 19 09:39:25 CDT 2005

In article <BF537579.AF4F4%berkowit@spoof_silcom.com>,
Paul Berkowitz <berkowit@spoof_silcom.com> wrote:

> On 9/18/05 6:04 PM, in article
> labolide-680940.18042418092005@news.giganews.com, "Kurt"
> <labolide@spacegmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>> I've been using Thunderbird as my reader of choice. May I have your
> >>> opinions regarding T-bird vs MT?
> >>>
> > Well, just downloaded it, and right of the bat- it's much like Entourage
> > in design and window footprint. Don't need another mail program.
> > MT gets my vote all day long for making it so that takes up very little
> > space on the desktop.
>
> You have a small desktop? Or why is that an advantage?
>
> (P.S. Why was this ever cross-posted to 5 newsgroups?)

Probably should end this thread, Original poster crossposted.
I usually have about 4-5 programs open and working at the same time
during the day. With MTnewswatcher, I can easily put in up in the corner
and small type means I can scroll through a zillion threads in seconds.

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