using checked version of XP

I am running into multiple first chance exceptions and want to install a
checked version of XP.
Apparently is there a version SP1 on the MSDN DVD but this doesn't install
over a SP2 fre version.
The downloaded version SP2 is failing as well when started in a SP2 fre
environment.

I need just some more debug information from the spoolsv.exe since I am
debugging a printer driver/language monitor.

Is there a way to just extract some needed DLL's and drop them into fre
system?
If yes, which DLL's do I need?

\Manfred

Don
Thu May 18 16:05:42 CDT 2006

You can either try to extract the pieces you need, but I am not sure what
that is for a printer driver. Alternatively, you can set up a debugger and
probably ride through the asserts on setup so you can use the full system.
You might want to take a look at my article
http://www.osronline.com/article.cfm?article=264 which tells you how to get
WinDBG working during install.


--
Don Burn (MVP, Windows DDK)
Windows 2k/XP/2k3 Filesystem and Driver Consulting
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"Manfred Wilner" <manfred.w@swecoinus.com> wrote in message
news:%23$nUGqreGHA.1264@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>I am running into multiple first chance exceptions and want to install a
>checked version of XP.
> Apparently is there a version SP1 on the MSDN DVD but this doesn't install
> over a SP2 fre version.
> The downloaded version SP2 is failing as well when started in a SP2 fre
> environment.
>
> I need just some more debug information from the spoolsv.exe since I am
> debugging a printer driver/language monitor.
>
> Is there a way to just extract some needed DLL's and drop them into fre
> system?
> If yes, which DLL's do I need?
>
> \Manfred
>
>

Norman
Thu May 18 19:53:45 CDT 2006

Considering that it's possible to do a partially checked build in the
opposite direction, I'd guess you could probably do it the way you're
talking about too, but why bother? You'll have to install a checked build
into some partition anyway, so why not just use it?

If you have trouble with Windows Installer 3.1 then a Microsoft employee
blogged about a way to fudge the registry to persuade the unchecked Windows
Installer 3.1 to install onto a checked system. (Why would anyone think
MSDN subscribers would either find a need or would have paid for the checked
version of Windows Installer 3.1? Sheesh.)

The checked version has to be installed into a different partition from the
retail version, just like two different language versions of the OS, or two
different product versions (2003 and XP). I recommend installing the
checked version last, and/or backing up the contents of the C drive so you
can copy the checked version's boot files back in after reinstalling any of
the other OSes that you have on the machine.


"Manfred Wilner" <manfred.w@swecoinus.com> wrote in message
news:%23$nUGqreGHA.1264@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>I am running into multiple first chance exceptions and want to install a
>checked version of XP.
> Apparently is there a version SP1 on the MSDN DVD but this doesn't install
> over a SP2 fre version.
> The downloaded version SP2 is failing as well when started in a SP2 fre
> environment.
>
> I need just some more debug information from the spoolsv.exe since I am
> debugging a printer driver/language monitor.
>
> Is there a way to just extract some needed DLL's and drop them into fre
> system?
> If yes, which DLL's do I need?
>
> \Manfred
>
>

BobF
Thu May 18 20:39:04 CDT 2006


This may be what you're looking for.

<http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/DevTest_g/hh/DevTest_g/Checked_104d4d60-e480-4ce7-81c1-cbc5d35e73b8.xml.asp>


On Fri, 19 May 2006 09:53:45 +0900, Norman Diamond wrote:

> Considering that it's possible to do a partially checked build in the
> opposite direction, I'd guess you could probably do it the way you're
> talking about too, but why bother? You'll have to install a checked build
> into some partition anyway, so why not just use it?
>
> If you have trouble with Windows Installer 3.1 then a Microsoft employee
> blogged about a way to fudge the registry to persuade the unchecked Windows
> Installer 3.1 to install onto a checked system. (Why would anyone think
> MSDN subscribers would either find a need or would have paid for the checked
> version of Windows Installer 3.1? Sheesh.)
>
> The checked version has to be installed into a different partition from the
> retail version, just like two different language versions of the OS, or two
> different product versions (2003 and XP). I recommend installing the
> checked version last, and/or backing up the contents of the C drive so you
> can copy the checked version's boot files back in after reinstalling any of
> the other OSes that you have on the machine.
>
>
> "Manfred Wilner" <manfred.w@swecoinus.com> wrote in message
> news:%23$nUGqreGHA.1264@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>I am running into multiple first chance exceptions and want to install a
>>checked version of XP.
>> Apparently is there a version SP1 on the MSDN DVD but this doesn't install
>> over a SP2 fre version.
>> The downloaded version SP2 is failing as well when started in a SP2 fre
>> environment.
>>
>> I need just some more debug information from the spoolsv.exe since I am
>> debugging a printer driver/language monitor.
>>
>> Is there a way to just extract some needed DLL's and drop them into fre
>> system?
>> If yes, which DLL's do I need?
>>
>> ¥Manfred
>>
>>

Manfred
Mon May 22 14:01:42 CDT 2006

Thanks Don,
I probably wasn't clear in my explanation below.
I have not an installation problem of my driver rather a problem later when
the driver is installed and in use by an application. When printing I am
getting the first chance exceptions and wanted to debug these. I am thinking
that it has to be somewhere in the other parts of the spooler system maybe
even in my UI or GD driver. That is the reason why I wanted the checked
version of the spooler system.

\Manfred


"Don Burn" <burn@stopspam.acm.org> wrote in message
news:%23DDyd7reGHA.1880@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> You can either try to extract the pieces you need, but I am not sure what
> that is for a printer driver. Alternatively, you can set up a debugger
> and probably ride through the asserts on setup so you can use the full
> system. You might want to take a look at my article
> http://www.osronline.com/article.cfm?article=264 which tells you how to
> get WinDBG working during install.
>
>
> --
> Don Burn (MVP, Windows DDK)
> Windows 2k/XP/2k3 Filesystem and Driver Consulting
> Remove StopSpam from the email to reply
>
>
>
> "Manfred Wilner" <manfred.w@swecoinus.com> wrote in message
> news:%23$nUGqreGHA.1264@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>I am running into multiple first chance exceptions and want to install a
>>checked version of XP.
>> Apparently is there a version SP1 on the MSDN DVD but this doesn't
>> install over a SP2 fre version.
>> The downloaded version SP2 is failing as well when started in a SP2 fre
>> environment.
>>
>> I need just some more debug information from the spoolsv.exe since I am
>> debugging a printer driver/language monitor.
>>
>> Is there a way to just extract some needed DLL's and drop them into fre
>> system?
>> If yes, which DLL's do I need?
>>
>> \Manfred
>>
>>
>
>

Manfred
Mon May 22 14:08:06 CDT 2006

Norman,
Thank you for the response.
I have tried to install the checked version of XP but then I ran into the
issue that I couldn't install either because of XP fre is SP2 and XP checked
is SP1 or I wanted to install SP2 and it told me that I have to install it
fresh not over the fre version.
I am not quite sure if I understand your comments below.
I did try to install from a running XP fre, are you saying that I have to
boot from the checked installation CD (??) and then install into a new
partition? Or what is the proprer way?

Manfred


"Norman Diamond" <ndiamond@community.nospam> wrote in message
news:%236m6x6teGHA.4828@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> Considering that it's possible to do a partially checked build in the
> opposite direction, I'd guess you could probably do it the way you're
> talking about too, but why bother? You'll have to install a checked build
> into some partition anyway, so why not just use it?
>
> If you have trouble with Windows Installer 3.1 then a Microsoft employee
> blogged about a way to fudge the registry to persuade the unchecked
> Windows Installer 3.1 to install onto a checked system. (Why would anyone
> think MSDN subscribers would either find a need or would have paid for the
> checked version of Windows Installer 3.1? Sheesh.)
>
> The checked version has to be installed into a different partition from
> the retail version, just like two different language versions of the OS,
> or two different product versions (2003 and XP). I recommend installing
> the checked version last, and/or backing up the contents of the C drive so
> you can copy the checked version's boot files back in after reinstalling
> any of the other OSes that you have on the machine.
>
>
> "Manfred Wilner" <manfred.w@swecoinus.com> wrote in message
> news:%23$nUGqreGHA.1264@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>I am running into multiple first chance exceptions and want to install a
>>checked version of XP.
>> Apparently is there a version SP1 on the MSDN DVD but this doesn't
>> install over a SP2 fre version.
>> The downloaded version SP2 is failing as well when started in a SP2 fre
>> environment.
>>
>> I need just some more debug information from the spoolsv.exe since I am
>> debugging a printer driver/language monitor.
>>
>> Is there a way to just extract some needed DLL's and drop them into fre
>> system?
>> If yes, which DLL's do I need?
>>
>> \Manfred
>>
>>
>

Manfred
Mon May 22 14:08:54 CDT 2006

I did see this before too, but it doesn't help unless i can resolve the
other issue with the installation in general.
\Manfred

"BobF" <rNfOrSePeAzMe@charter.net> wrote in message
news:1x46u0vg9v6bg$.1v1yjkk0yj24x.dlg@40tude.net...
>
> This may be what you're looking for.
>
> <http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/DevTest_g/hh/DevTest_g/Checked_104d4d60-e480-4ce7-81c1-cbc5d35e73b8.xml.asp>
>
>
> On Fri, 19 May 2006 09:53:45 +0900, Norman Diamond wrote:
>
>> Considering that it's possible to do a partially checked build in the
>> opposite direction, I'd guess you could probably do it the way you're
>> talking about too, but why bother? You'll have to install a checked
>> build
>> into some partition anyway, so why not just use it?
>>
>> If you have trouble with Windows Installer 3.1 then a Microsoft employee
>> blogged about a way to fudge the registry to persuade the unchecked
>> Windows
>> Installer 3.1 to install onto a checked system. (Why would anyone think
>> MSDN subscribers would either find a need or would have paid for the
>> checked
>> version of Windows Installer 3.1? Sheesh.)
>>
>> The checked version has to be installed into a different partition from
>> the
>> retail version, just like two different language versions of the OS, or
>> two
>> different product versions (2003 and XP). I recommend installing the
>> checked version last, and/or backing up the contents of the C drive so
>> you
>> can copy the checked version's boot files back in after reinstalling any
>> of
>> the other OSes that you have on the machine.
>>
>>
>> "Manfred Wilner" <manfred.w@swecoinus.com> wrote in message
>> news:%23$nUGqreGHA.1264@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>I am running into multiple first chance exceptions and want to install a
>>>checked version of XP.
>>> Apparently is there a version SP1 on the MSDN DVD but this doesn't
>>> install
>>> over a SP2 fre version.
>>> The downloaded version SP2 is failing as well when started in a SP2 fre
>>> environment.
>>>
>>> I need just some more debug information from the spoolsv.exe since I am
>>> debugging a printer driver/language monitor.
>>>
>>> Is there a way to just extract some needed DLL's and drop them into fre
>>> system?
>>> If yes, which DLL's do I need?
>>>
>>> ¥Manfred
>>>
>>>

Norman
Mon May 22 19:33:13 CDT 2006

Checked and retail have to be installed into separate partitions. Checked
and retail have to be updated by their matching versions of SP2.

I think that I was able to initiate installation of one from the CD from
within a running installation of the other. Of course you have to tell it
you're going to do a clean install not an upgrade, and you have to select an
appropriate partition during installation.

All Windows installations on the same machine share the same booter files on
the C partition, i.e. NTLDR, NTDETECT.COM, etc. I recommend that you keep
checked versions there. If you have a boot problem with your checked
installation then these can help you. If you boot your retail installation
then these will display diagnostic information and slow down your boot by a
few seconds, but otherwise they're harmless.

Aside from those few shared files on the C partition, every Windows
installation should go on a separate partition.

If you want to put two operating systems in the same partition then they
either have to be one Windows 95 + one Windows NT4 or they have to be two
Linux (or maybe other Unix) kernels. Microsoft lost that technology after
NT4.


"Manfred Wilner" <manfred.w@swecoinus.com> wrote in message
news:emihQMdfGHA.4464@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> Norman,
> Thank you for the response.
> I have tried to install the checked version of XP but then I ran into the
> issue that I couldn't install either because of XP fre is SP2 and XP
> checked is SP1 or I wanted to install SP2 and it told me that I have to
> install it fresh not over the fre version.
> I am not quite sure if I understand your comments below.
> I did try to install from a running XP fre, are you saying that I have to
> boot from the checked installation CD (??) and then install into a new
> partition? Or what is the proprer way?
>
> Manfred
>
>
> "Norman Diamond" <ndiamond@community.nospam> wrote in message
> news:%236m6x6teGHA.4828@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>> Considering that it's possible to do a partially checked build in the
>> opposite direction, I'd guess you could probably do it the way you're
>> talking about too, but why bother? You'll have to install a checked
>> build into some partition anyway, so why not just use it?
>>
>> If you have trouble with Windows Installer 3.1 then a Microsoft employee
>> blogged about a way to fudge the registry to persuade the unchecked
>> Windows Installer 3.1 to install onto a checked system. (Why would
>> anyone think MSDN subscribers would either find a need or would have paid
>> for the checked version of Windows Installer 3.1? Sheesh.)
>>
>> The checked version has to be installed into a different partition from
>> the retail version, just like two different language versions of the OS,
>> or two different product versions (2003 and XP). I recommend installing
>> the checked version last, and/or backing up the contents of the C drive
>> so you can copy the checked version's boot files back in after
>> reinstalling any of the other OSes that you have on the machine.
>>
>>
>> "Manfred Wilner" <manfred.w@swecoinus.com> wrote in message
>> news:%23$nUGqreGHA.1264@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>I am running into multiple first chance exceptions and want to install a
>>>checked version of XP.
>>> Apparently is there a version SP1 on the MSDN DVD but this doesn't
>>> install over a SP2 fre version.
>>> The downloaded version SP2 is failing as well when started in a SP2 fre
>>> environment.
>>>
>>> I need just some more debug information from the spoolsv.exe since I am
>>> debugging a printer driver/language monitor.
>>>
>>> Is there a way to just extract some needed DLL's and drop them into fre
>>> system?
>>> If yes, which DLL's do I need?
>>>
>>> \Manfred
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>

Manfred
Tue May 23 09:26:12 CDT 2006

Thanks Norman,
I hoped I can do a quick and easy fix for this. :-)

Manfred

"Norman Diamond" <ndiamond@community.nospam> wrote in message
news:e4$QACgfGHA.2172@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> Checked and retail have to be installed into separate partitions. Checked
> and retail have to be updated by their matching versions of SP2.
>
> I think that I was able to initiate installation of one from the CD from
> within a running installation of the other. Of course you have to tell it
> you're going to do a clean install not an upgrade, and you have to select
> an appropriate partition during installation.
>
> All Windows installations on the same machine share the same booter files
> on the C partition, i.e. NTLDR, NTDETECT.COM, etc. I recommend that you
> keep checked versions there. If you have a boot problem with your checked
> installation then these can help you. If you boot your retail
> installation then these will display diagnostic information and slow down
> your boot by a few seconds, but otherwise they're harmless.
>
> Aside from those few shared files on the C partition, every Windows
> installation should go on a separate partition.
>
> If you want to put two operating systems in the same partition then they
> either have to be one Windows 95 + one Windows NT4 or they have to be two
> Linux (or maybe other Unix) kernels. Microsoft lost that technology after
> NT4.
>
>
> "Manfred Wilner" <manfred.w@swecoinus.com> wrote in message
> news:emihQMdfGHA.4464@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>> Norman,
>> Thank you for the response.
>> I have tried to install the checked version of XP but then I ran into the
>> issue that I couldn't install either because of XP fre is SP2 and XP
>> checked is SP1 or I wanted to install SP2 and it told me that I have to
>> install it fresh not over the fre version.
>> I am not quite sure if I understand your comments below.
>> I did try to install from a running XP fre, are you saying that I have to
>> boot from the checked installation CD (??) and then install into a new
>> partition? Or what is the proprer way?
>>
>> Manfred
>>
>>
>> "Norman Diamond" <ndiamond@community.nospam> wrote in message
>> news:%236m6x6teGHA.4828@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>> Considering that it's possible to do a partially checked build in the
>>> opposite direction, I'd guess you could probably do it the way you're
>>> talking about too, but why bother? You'll have to install a checked
>>> build into some partition anyway, so why not just use it?
>>>
>>> If you have trouble with Windows Installer 3.1 then a Microsoft employee
>>> blogged about a way to fudge the registry to persuade the unchecked
>>> Windows Installer 3.1 to install onto a checked system. (Why would
>>> anyone think MSDN subscribers would either find a need or would have
>>> paid for the checked version of Windows Installer 3.1? Sheesh.)
>>>
>>> The checked version has to be installed into a different partition from
>>> the retail version, just like two different language versions of the OS,
>>> or two different product versions (2003 and XP). I recommend installing
>>> the checked version last, and/or backing up the contents of the C drive
>>> so you can copy the checked version's boot files back in after
>>> reinstalling any of the other OSes that you have on the machine.
>>>
>>>
>>> "Manfred Wilner" <manfred.w@swecoinus.com> wrote in message
>>> news:%23$nUGqreGHA.1264@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>>I am running into multiple first chance exceptions and want to install a
>>>>checked version of XP.
>>>> Apparently is there a version SP1 on the MSDN DVD but this doesn't
>>>> install over a SP2 fre version.
>>>> The downloaded version SP2 is failing as well when started in a SP2 fre
>>>> environment.
>>>>
>>>> I need just some more debug information from the spoolsv.exe since I am
>>>> debugging a printer driver/language monitor.
>>>>
>>>> Is there a way to just extract some needed DLL's and drop them into fre
>>>> system?
>>>> If yes, which DLL's do I need?
>>>>
>>>> \Manfred
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>