I am new to the DDK.
I am going to develope a simple virtual device driver for a Ham Radio
progect.

What tools do I need?
I have Visual Studio Pro 2003 & I just received the DDK from Microsoft.

I noticed that I should be developing in C++.
So do I need VS Pro 6.0 for C++ or can I use the Standard VS C++ 6.0, any
older versiond of VS C++, or any way to use the C++ complier in the VS Pro
.NET versions?

I read where some people do development in a good IDE and do unit testing
there and then do the final compiling and testing with VS Pro C++ 6.0. So I
don't go out and purchase the wrong thing I am oppen to sugestions.

Since I may be selling the final product, I wish to stay legal.



Thanks for any help.

John Long
Salt Lake City, Utah USA
john@thelongs.us

Re: New to DDK. Basic questions by Tom

Tom
Tue Apr 26 10:09:06 CDT 2005

Hello John,

You can perfectly develop your driver in VS2003. the only thing you need
to do is set some environment variables and download ddkbuild in order
to build the driver with the right libraries.
You can find the ddkbuild app
www.hollistech.com/Resources/ddkbuild/ddkbuild.htm
If your follow the help on the website, you must be able to get your VS
fired up to compile your driver.
Hope this helped a little

Greetz
Tom

John Long wrote:
> I am new to the DDK.
> I am going to develope a simple virtual device driver for a Ham Radio
> progect.
>
> What tools do I need?
> I have Visual Studio Pro 2003 & I just received the DDK from Microsoft.
>
> I noticed that I should be developing in C++.
> So do I need VS Pro 6.0 for C++ or can I use the Standard VS C++ 6.0, any
> older versiond of VS C++, or any way to use the C++ complier in the VS Pro
> .NET versions?
>
> I read where some people do development in a good IDE and do unit testing
> there and then do the final compiling and testing with VS Pro C++ 6.0. So I
> don't go out and purchase the wrong thing I am oppen to sugestions.
>
> Since I may be selling the final product, I wish to stay legal.
>
>
>
> Thanks for any help.
>
> John Long
> Salt Lake City, Utah USA
> john@thelongs.us
>
>
>
>

Re: New to DDK. Basic questions by Maxim

Maxim
Tue Apr 26 11:04:06 CDT 2005

DDK contains everything necessary for building a driver. No need in VC++
except for text editor.

--
Maxim Shatskih, Windows DDK MVP
StorageCraft Corporation
maxim@storagecraft.com
http://www.storagecraft.com

"John Long" <john@thelongs.us> wrote in message
news:%23XKh0vmSFHA.3236@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> I am new to the DDK.
> I am going to develope a simple virtual device driver for a Ham Radio
> progect.
>
> What tools do I need?
> I have Visual Studio Pro 2003 & I just received the DDK from Microsoft.
>
> I noticed that I should be developing in C++.
> So do I need VS Pro 6.0 for C++ or can I use the Standard VS C++ 6.0, any
> older versiond of VS C++, or any way to use the C++ complier in the VS Pro
> .NET versions?
>
> I read where some people do development in a good IDE and do unit testing
> there and then do the final compiling and testing with VS Pro C++ 6.0. So I
> don't go out and purchase the wrong thing I am oppen to sugestions.
>
> Since I may be selling the final product, I wish to stay legal.
>
>
>
> Thanks for any help.
>
> John Long
> Salt Lake City, Utah USA
> john@thelongs.us
>
>
>
>



Re: New to DDK. Basic questions by John

John
Tue Apr 26 11:31:47 CDT 2005

Thanks for the replys.

I'm one ot those types that likes to get everything lined up and then jump
in over my head ;-) .....

Besides, this will keep me of the streets for the next 6 months......


John



"John Long" <john@thelongs.us> wrote in message
news:%23XKh0vmSFHA.3236@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> I am new to the DDK.
> I am going to develope a simple virtual device driver for a Ham Radio
> progect.
>
> What tools do I need?
> I have Visual Studio Pro 2003 & I just received the DDK from Microsoft.
>
> I noticed that I should be developing in C++.
> So do I need VS Pro 6.0 for C++ or can I use the Standard VS C++ 6.0,
any
> older versiond of VS C++, or any way to use the C++ complier in the VS Pro
> .NET versions?
>
> I read where some people do development in a good IDE and do unit testing
> there and then do the final compiling and testing with VS Pro C++ 6.0. So
I
> don't go out and purchase the wrong thing I am oppen to sugestions.
>
> Since I may be selling the final product, I wish to stay legal.
>
>
>
> Thanks for any help.
>
> John Long
> Salt Lake City, Utah USA
> john@thelongs.us
>
>
>
>



Re: New to DDK. Basic questions by pavel_a

pavel_a
Tue Apr 26 13:37:42 CDT 2005

Hi,
First of all you need to determine which type your driver belongs to.
Is it going to be a virtual NDIS miniport, or NDIS IM or something else.
Or you can do all in usermode.
If you still need a driver, read DDK starter how-tos.
With DDK, Visual Studio is just an optional text editor. DDK has it's own
compiler,
and you *must* use that.

Good luck
--PA

"John Long" wrote:
> Thanks for the replys.
>
> I'm one ot those types that likes to get everything lined up and then jump
> in over my head ;-) .....
>
> Besides, this will keep me of the streets for the next 6 months......
>
>
> John
>
>
>
> "John Long" <john@thelongs.us> wrote in message
> news:%23XKh0vmSFHA.3236@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> > I am new to the DDK.
> > I am going to develope a simple virtual device driver for a Ham Radio
> > progect.
> >
> > What tools do I need?
> > I have Visual Studio Pro 2003 & I just received the DDK from Microsoft.
> >
> > I noticed that I should be developing in C++.
> > So do I need VS Pro 6.0 for C++ or can I use the Standard VS C++ 6.0,
> any
> > older versiond of VS C++, or any way to use the C++ complier in the VS Pro
> > .NET versions?
> >
> > I read where some people do development in a good IDE and do unit testing
> > there and then do the final compiling and testing with VS Pro C++ 6.0. So
> I
> > don't go out and purchase the wrong thing I am oppen to sugestions.
> >
> > Since I may be selling the final product, I wish to stay legal.
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks for any help.
> >
> > John Long
> > Salt Lake City, Utah USA
> > john@thelongs.us
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>

Re: New to DDK. Basic questions by John

John
Tue Apr 26 14:37:01 CDT 2005

I've setup a reading room at the house HaHaHa
No hurry on this so I am trying to make it as much "fun" as possible.

I am looking at developing a virtual com port to extend the front end
interfaces of exciting (old fashion) Amateur Radio Software. Yes HAM gear
talks to the computer using 1200 / 9600 baud com ports. Since the hardware
if fixed I am looking at extending the usefulness by use of virtual drivers
so a program on one Computer and talk to a HAM device connected to the com
port of a different computer. This way the existing HAM software and the
existing HAM radios do not need to be modified.

After I complete the virtual com port project I get to do it all over again
with sound cards. HaHaHa

If you can suggest any ways of jump-starting the project, please feel free
to suggest them.


Thanks,
John




"Pavel A." <pavel_a@NOwritemeNO.com> wrote in message
news:362F88F3-D93A-401E-A402-9D3DE0CB1E31@microsoft.com...
> Hi,
> First of all you need to determine which type your driver belongs to.
> Is it going to be a virtual NDIS miniport, or NDIS IM or something else.
> Or you can do all in usermode.
> If you still need a driver, read DDK starter how-tos.
> With DDK, Visual Studio is just an optional text editor. DDK has it's own
> compiler,
> and you *must* use that.
>
> Good luck
> --PA
>
> "John Long" wrote:
> > Thanks for the replys.
> >
> > I'm one ot those types that likes to get everything lined up and then
jump
> > in over my head ;-) .....
> >
> > Besides, this will keep me of the streets for the next 6 months......
> >
> >
> > John
> >
> >
> >
> > "John Long" <john@thelongs.us> wrote in message
> > news:%23XKh0vmSFHA.3236@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> > > I am new to the DDK.
> > > I am going to develope a simple virtual device driver for a Ham Radio
> > > progect.
> > >
> > > What tools do I need?
> > > I have Visual Studio Pro 2003 & I just received the DDK from
Microsoft.
> > >
> > > I noticed that I should be developing in C++.
> > > So do I need VS Pro 6.0 for C++ or can I use the Standard VS C++
6.0,
> > any
> > > older versiond of VS C++, or any way to use the C++ complier in the VS
Pro
> > > .NET versions?
> > >
> > > I read where some people do development in a good IDE and do unit
testing
> > > there and then do the final compiling and testing with VS Pro C++ 6.0.
So
> > I
> > > don't go out and purchase the wrong thing I am oppen to sugestions.
> > >
> > > Since I may be selling the final product, I wish to stay legal.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Thanks for any help.
> > >
> > > John Long
> > > Salt Lake City, Utah USA
> > > john@thelongs.us
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >



Re: New to DDK. Basic questions by pavel_a

pavel_a
Tue Apr 26 18:42:03 CDT 2005

Well I'm not sure that *any* driver (especially virtual com port) is a best
and fastest way to do this.
if you have sources of that s/w, try to make it working over a normal
network client/server design, or maybe even a web service (ha ha ha !)

--PA

"John Long" wrote:
> I've setup a reading room at the house HaHaHa
> No hurry on this so I am trying to make it as much "fun" as possible.
>
> I am looking at developing a virtual com port to extend the front end
> interfaces of exciting (old fashion) Amateur Radio Software. Yes HAM gear
> talks to the computer using 1200 / 9600 baud com ports. Since the hardware
> if fixed I am looking at extending the usefulness by use of virtual drivers
> so a program on one Computer and talk to a HAM device connected to the com
> port of a different computer. This way the existing HAM software and the
> existing HAM radios do not need to be modified.
>
> After I complete the virtual com port project I get to do it all over again
> with sound cards. HaHaHa
>
> If you can suggest any ways of jump-starting the project, please feel free
> to suggest them.
>
>
> Thanks,
> John
>
>
>
>
> "Pavel A." <pavel_a@NOwritemeNO.com> wrote in message
> news:362F88F3-D93A-401E-A402-9D3DE0CB1E31@microsoft.com...
> > Hi,
> > First of all you need to determine which type your driver belongs to.
> > Is it going to be a virtual NDIS miniport, or NDIS IM or something else.
> > Or you can do all in usermode.
> > If you still need a driver, read DDK starter how-tos.
> > With DDK, Visual Studio is just an optional text editor. DDK has it's own
> > compiler,
> > and you *must* use that.
> >
> > Good luck
> > --PA
> >
> > "John Long" wrote:
> > > Thanks for the replys.
> > >
> > > I'm one ot those types that likes to get everything lined up and then
> jump
> > > in over my head ;-) .....
> > >
> > > Besides, this will keep me of the streets for the next 6 months......
> > >
> > >
> > > John
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > "John Long" <john@thelongs.us> wrote in message
> > > news:%23XKh0vmSFHA.3236@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> > > > I am new to the DDK.
> > > > I am going to develope a simple virtual device driver for a Ham Radio
> > > > progect.
> > > >
> > > > What tools do I need?
> > > > I have Visual Studio Pro 2003 & I just received the DDK from
> Microsoft.
> > > >
> > > > I noticed that I should be developing in C++.
> > > > So do I need VS Pro 6.0 for C++ or can I use the Standard VS C++
> 6.0,
> > > any
> > > > older versiond of VS C++, or any way to use the C++ complier in the VS
> Pro
> > > > .NET versions?
> > > >
> > > > I read where some people do development in a good IDE and do unit
> testing
> > > > there and then do the final compiling and testing with VS Pro C++ 6.0.
> So
> > > I
> > > > don't go out and purchase the wrong thing I am oppen to sugestions.
> > > >
> > > > Since I may be selling the final product, I wish to stay legal.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for any help.
> > > >
> > > > John Long
> > > > Salt Lake City, Utah USA
> > > > john@thelongs.us
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
>
>
>

Re: New to DDK. Basic questions by John

John
Wed Apr 27 09:13:42 CDT 2005

The goal is to allow "many" commercial existing programs that were designed
to work with a HAM radio connected to a local com port be able to
communicate to a HAM radio on a different computer via TCP/IP etc. The idea
is not to have do anything to whatever software a HAM operator now has, just
extend the way it connects to include a Virtual com port so the radio can be
located somewhere else (down stairs, Ham shack, across town, etc).

So the existing programs would just select the new virtual com port instead
of their current local com port and everything else happens magically for
them.


John


"Pavel A." <pavel_a@NOwritemeNO.com> wrote in message
news:C8FCE2BB-8A08-4B66-81EA-743992C29B1A@microsoft.com...
> Well I'm not sure that *any* driver (especially virtual com port) is a
best
> and fastest way to do this.
> if you have sources of that s/w, try to make it working over a normal
> network client/server design, or maybe even a web service (ha ha ha !)
>
> --PA
>
> "John Long" wrote:
> > I've setup a reading room at the house HaHaHa
> > No hurry on this so I am trying to make it as much "fun" as possible.
> >
> > I am looking at developing a virtual com port to extend the front end
> > interfaces of exciting (old fashion) Amateur Radio Software. Yes HAM
gear
> > talks to the computer using 1200 / 9600 baud com ports. Since the
hardware
> > if fixed I am looking at extending the usefulness by use of virtual
drivers
> > so a program on one Computer and talk to a HAM device connected to the
com
> > port of a different computer. This way the existing HAM software and
the
> > existing HAM radios do not need to be modified.
> >
> > After I complete the virtual com port project I get to do it all over
again
> > with sound cards. HaHaHa
> >
> > If you can suggest any ways of jump-starting the project, please feel
free
> > to suggest them.
> >
> >
> > Thanks,
> > John
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "Pavel A." <pavel_a@NOwritemeNO.com> wrote in message
> > news:362F88F3-D93A-401E-A402-9D3DE0CB1E31@microsoft.com...
> > > Hi,
> > > First of all you need to determine which type your driver belongs to.
> > > Is it going to be a virtual NDIS miniport, or NDIS IM or something
else.
> > > Or you can do all in usermode.
> > > If you still need a driver, read DDK starter how-tos.
> > > With DDK, Visual Studio is just an optional text editor. DDK has it's
own
> > > compiler,
> > > and you *must* use that.
> > >
> > > Good luck
> > > --PA
> > >
> > > "John Long" wrote:
> > > > Thanks for the replys.
> > > >
> > > > I'm one ot those types that likes to get everything lined up and
then
> > jump
> > > > in over my head ;-) .....
> > > >
> > > > Besides, this will keep me of the streets for the next 6
months......
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > John
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "John Long" <john@thelongs.us> wrote in message
> > > > news:%23XKh0vmSFHA.3236@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> > > > > I am new to the DDK.
> > > > > I am going to develope a simple virtual device driver for a Ham
Radio
> > > > > progect.
> > > > >
> > > > > What tools do I need?
> > > > > I have Visual Studio Pro 2003 & I just received the DDK from
> > Microsoft.
> > > > >
> > > > > I noticed that I should be developing in C++.
> > > > > So do I need VS Pro 6.0 for C++ or can I use the Standard VS
C++
> > 6.0,
> > > > any
> > > > > older versiond of VS C++, or any way to use the C++ complier in
the VS
> > Pro
> > > > > .NET versions?
> > > > >
> > > > > I read where some people do development in a good IDE and do unit
> > testing
> > > > > there and then do the final compiling and testing with VS Pro C++
6.0.
> > So
> > > > I
> > > > > don't go out and purchase the wrong thing I am oppen to
sugestions.
> > > > >
> > > > > Since I may be selling the final product, I wish to stay legal.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks for any help.
> > > > >
> > > > > John Long
> > > > > Salt Lake City, Utah USA
> > > > > john@thelongs.us
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> >
> >
> >



Re: New to DDK. Basic questions by Gary

Gary
Sat Apr 30 17:05:33 CDT 2005

HAAAA! 6 months? For a new driver writer to do a virtual ANTYHING is a
minimum of 1, more like two years, IF he takes an OSR or Azius seminar. On
his own with no kernel experience? Good luck. It's easier for a NOVICE to
become a General having nothing to listen to but 60 words a minute CW.

--
Gary G. Little
(formerly KA6ETP)

"John Long" <john@thelongs.us> wrote in message
news:uN6sz1nSFHA.204@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
> Thanks for the replys.
>
> I'm one ot those types that likes to get everything lined up and then jump
> in over my head ;-) .....
>
> Besides, this will keep me of the streets for the next 6 months......
>
>
> John
>
>
>
> "John Long" <john@thelongs.us> wrote in message
> news:%23XKh0vmSFHA.3236@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>> I am new to the DDK.
>> I am going to develope a simple virtual device driver for a Ham Radio
>> progect.
>>
>> What tools do I need?
>> I have Visual Studio Pro 2003 & I just received the DDK from
>> Microsoft.
>>
>> I noticed that I should be developing in C++.
>> So do I need VS Pro 6.0 for C++ or can I use the Standard VS C++ 6.0,
> any
>> older versiond of VS C++, or any way to use the C++ complier in the VS
>> Pro
>> .NET versions?
>>
>> I read where some people do development in a good IDE and do unit testing
>> there and then do the final compiling and testing with VS Pro C++ 6.0.
>> So
> I
>> don't go out and purchase the wrong thing I am oppen to sugestions.
>>
>> Since I may be selling the final product, I wish to stay legal.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks for any help.
>>
>> John Long
>> Salt Lake City, Utah USA
>> john@thelongs.us
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>



Re: New to DDK. Basic questions by Gary

Gary
Sat Apr 30 17:18:24 CDT 2005

Times 4 ... more like about 24 months 8 hours a day. Part time? Scale it up
by the parts of an 8 hour day you can't work in it. You've picked a driver
that experienced developers doing this 8 to 16 hours a day would not
hestiate to bid for BIG bucks with times doubling your estimate. A virtual
com driver is just about as difficult a project as you can choose for an
experienced developer, let alone a hobbiest doing this in his spare time.

I really don't mean to say you can't, or that this is an impossible project.
You can ... but realize you are face a learning curve that exceeds the
vertical ... think of an overhanging cliff 100 miles high, on Jupiter, all
you have is one piton, and you have to carry your wheelchair. It is not
impossible, but it is damn difficult..

--
Gary G. Little

"John Long" <john@thelongs.us> wrote in message
news:uN6sz1nSFHA.204@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
> Thanks for the replys.
>
> I'm one ot those types that likes to get everything lined up and then jump
> in over my head ;-) .....
>
> Besides, this will keep me of the streets for the next 6 months......
>
>
> John
>
>
>
> "John Long" <john@thelongs.us> wrote in message
> news:%23XKh0vmSFHA.3236@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>> I am new to the DDK.
>> I am going to develope a simple virtual device driver for a Ham Radio
>> progect.
>>
>> What tools do I need?
>> I have Visual Studio Pro 2003 & I just received the DDK from
>> Microsoft.
>>
>> I noticed that I should be developing in C++.
>> So do I need VS Pro 6.0 for C++ or can I use the Standard VS C++ 6.0,
> any
>> older versiond of VS C++, or any way to use the C++ complier in the VS
>> Pro
>> .NET versions?
>>
>> I read where some people do development in a good IDE and do unit testing
>> there and then do the final compiling and testing with VS Pro C++ 6.0.
>> So
> I
>> don't go out and purchase the wrong thing I am oppen to sugestions.
>>
>> Since I may be selling the final product, I wish to stay legal.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks for any help.
>>
>> John Long
>> Salt Lake City, Utah USA
>> john@thelongs.us
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>



Re: New to DDK. Basic questions by John

John
Mon May 02 09:37:10 CDT 2005

Thanks for all the encouragement. (HaHaHa)

Well, as I said, it should keep me off the streets.
I should learn a lot just doing the research.
The fun part is the research.


John
KW7A



"Gary G. Little" <glittle@mn.rr.com> wrote in message
news:QuTce.36765$PA4.17638@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> Times 4 ... more like about 24 months 8 hours a day. Part time? Scale it
up
> by the parts of an 8 hour day you can't work in it. You've picked a driver
> that experienced developers doing this 8 to 16 hours a day would not
> hestiate to bid for BIG bucks with times doubling your estimate. A virtual
> com driver is just about as difficult a project as you can choose for an
> experienced developer, let alone a hobbiest doing this in his spare time.
>
> I really don't mean to say you can't, or that this is an impossible
project.
> You can ... but realize you are face a learning curve that exceeds the
> vertical ... think of an overhanging cliff 100 miles high, on Jupiter, all
> you have is one piton, and you have to carry your wheelchair. It is not
> impossible, but it is damn difficult..
>
> --
> Gary G. Little
>
> "John Long" <john@thelongs.us> wrote in message
> news:uN6sz1nSFHA.204@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
> > Thanks for the replys.
> >
> > I'm one ot those types that likes to get everything lined up and then
jump
> > in over my head ;-) .....
> >
> > Besides, this will keep me of the streets for the next 6 months......
> >
> >
> > John
> >
> >
> >
> > "John Long" <john@thelongs.us> wrote in message
> > news:%23XKh0vmSFHA.3236@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> >> I am new to the DDK.
> >> I am going to develope a simple virtual device driver for a Ham Radio
> >> progect.
> >>
> >> What tools do I need?
> >> I have Visual Studio Pro 2003 & I just received the DDK from
> >> Microsoft.
> >>
> >> I noticed that I should be developing in C++.
> >> So do I need VS Pro 6.0 for C++ or can I use the Standard VS C++
6.0,
> > any
> >> older versiond of VS C++, or any way to use the C++ complier in the VS
> >> Pro
> >> .NET versions?
> >>
> >> I read where some people do development in a good IDE and do unit
testing
> >> there and then do the final compiling and testing with VS Pro C++ 6.0.
> >> So
> > I
> >> don't go out and purchase the wrong thing I am oppen to sugestions.
> >>
> >> Since I may be selling the final product, I wish to stay legal.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Thanks for any help.
> >>
> >> John Long
> >> Salt Lake City, Utah USA
> >> john@thelongs.us
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>



Re: New to DDK. Basic questions by Don

Don
Mon May 02 10:01:59 CDT 2005

John,

You might also check out
http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/driver/foundation/DrvDev_Intro.mspx this is an
article on getting started with the driver development environment. I think
it is pretty good, but then I could be biased :-)


--
Don Burn (MVP, Windows DDK)
Windows 2k/XP/2k3 Filesystem and Driver Consulting
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"John Long" <john@thelongs.us> wrote in message
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> Thanks for all the encouragement. (HaHaHa)
>
> Well, as I said, it should keep me off the streets.
> I should learn a lot just doing the research.
> The fun part is the research.
>
>
> John
> KW7A
>
>
>
> "Gary G. Little" <glittle@mn.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:QuTce.36765$PA4.17638@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>> Times 4 ... more like about 24 months 8 hours a day. Part time? Scale it
> up
>> by the parts of an 8 hour day you can't work in it. You've picked a
>> driver
>> that experienced developers doing this 8 to 16 hours a day would not
>> hestiate to bid for BIG bucks with times doubling your estimate. A
>> virtual
>> com driver is just about as difficult a project as you can choose for an
>> experienced developer, let alone a hobbiest doing this in his spare time.
>>
>> I really don't mean to say you can't, or that this is an impossible
> project.
>> You can ... but realize you are face a learning curve that exceeds the
>> vertical ... think of an overhanging cliff 100 miles high, on Jupiter,
>> all
>> you have is one piton, and you have to carry your wheelchair. It is not
>> impossible, but it is damn difficult..
>>
>> --
>> Gary G. Little
>>
>> "John Long" <john@thelongs.us> wrote in message
>> news:uN6sz1nSFHA.204@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
>> > Thanks for the replys.
>> >
>> > I'm one ot those types that likes to get everything lined up and then
> jump
>> > in over my head ;-) .....
>> >
>> > Besides, this will keep me of the streets for the next 6 months......
>> >
>> >
>> > John
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > "John Long" <john@thelongs.us> wrote in message
>> > news:%23XKh0vmSFHA.3236@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>> >> I am new to the DDK.
>> >> I am going to develope a simple virtual device driver for a Ham Radio
>> >> progect.
>> >>
>> >> What tools do I need?
>> >> I have Visual Studio Pro 2003 & I just received the DDK from
>> >> Microsoft.
>> >>
>> >> I noticed that I should be developing in C++.
>> >> So do I need VS Pro 6.0 for C++ or can I use the Standard VS C++
> 6.0,
>> > any
>> >> older versiond of VS C++, or any way to use the C++ complier in the VS
>> >> Pro
>> >> .NET versions?
>> >>
>> >> I read where some people do development in a good IDE and do unit
> testing
>> >> there and then do the final compiling and testing with VS Pro C++ 6.0.
>> >> So
>> > I
>> >> don't go out and purchase the wrong thing I am oppen to sugestions.
>> >>
>> >> Since I may be selling the final product, I wish to stay legal.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Thanks for any help.
>> >>
>> >> John Long
>> >> Salt Lake City, Utah USA
>> >> john@thelongs.us
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>



Re: New to DDK. Basic questions by John

John
Mon May 02 11:22:39 CDT 2005

Thanks.
If nothing else this is helping me sleep.
I take it to bed each night and when I try to read it I fall right off to
sleep!

But all kidding aside, Thanks !



John
KW7A



"Don Burn" <burn@stopspam.acm.org> wrote in message
news:Hhrde.31183$c42.21824@fe07.lga...
> John,
>
> You might also check out
> http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/driver/foundation/DrvDev_Intro.mspx this is
an
> article on getting started with the driver development environment. I
think
> it is pretty good, but then I could be biased :-)
>
>
> --
> Don Burn (MVP, Windows DDK)
> Windows 2k/XP/2k3 Filesystem and Driver Consulting
> Remove StopSpam from the email to reply
>
>
>
> "John Long" <john@thelongs.us> wrote in message
> news:uijXwRyTFHA.3620@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> > Thanks for all the encouragement. (HaHaHa)
> >
> > Well, as I said, it should keep me off the streets.
> > I should learn a lot just doing the research.
> > The fun part is the research.
> >
> >
> > John
> > KW7A
> >
> >
> >
> > "Gary G. Little" <glittle@mn.rr.com> wrote in message
> > news:QuTce.36765$PA4.17638@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> >> Times 4 ... more like about 24 months 8 hours a day. Part time? Scale
it
> > up
> >> by the parts of an 8 hour day you can't work in it. You've picked a
> >> driver
> >> that experienced developers doing this 8 to 16 hours a day would not
> >> hestiate to bid for BIG bucks with times doubling your estimate. A
> >> virtual
> >> com driver is just about as difficult a project as you can choose for
an
> >> experienced developer, let alone a hobbiest doing this in his spare
time.
> >>
> >> I really don't mean to say you can't, or that this is an impossible
> > project.
> >> You can ... but realize you are face a learning curve that exceeds the
> >> vertical ... think of an overhanging cliff 100 miles high, on Jupiter,
> >> all
> >> you have is one piton, and you have to carry your wheelchair. It is not
> >> impossible, but it is damn difficult..
> >>
> >> --
> >> Gary G. Little
> >>
> >> "John Long" <john@thelongs.us> wrote in message
> >> news:uN6sz1nSFHA.204@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
> >> > Thanks for the replys.
> >> >
> >> > I'm one ot those types that likes to get everything lined up and then
> > jump
> >> > in over my head ;-) .....
> >> >
> >> > Besides, this will keep me of the streets for the next 6 months......
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > John
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > "John Long" <john@thelongs.us> wrote in message
> >> > news:%23XKh0vmSFHA.3236@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> >> >> I am new to the DDK.
> >> >> I am going to develope a simple virtual device driver for a Ham
Radio
> >> >> progect.
> >> >>
> >> >> What tools do I need?
> >> >> I have Visual Studio Pro 2003 & I just received the DDK from
> >> >> Microsoft.
> >> >>
> >> >> I noticed that I should be developing in C++.
> >> >> So do I need VS Pro 6.0 for C++ or can I use the Standard VS C++
> > 6.0,
> >> > any
> >> >> older versiond of VS C++, or any way to use the C++ complier in the
VS
> >> >> Pro
> >> >> .NET versions?
> >> >>
> >> >> I read where some people do development in a good IDE and do unit
> > testing
> >> >> there and then do the final compiling and testing with VS Pro C++
6.0.
> >> >> So
> >> > I
> >> >> don't go out and purchase the wrong thing I am oppen to sugestions.
> >> >>
> >> >> Since I may be selling the final product, I wish to stay legal.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Thanks for any help.
> >> >>
> >> >> John Long
> >> >> Salt Lake City, Utah USA
> >> >> john@thelongs.us
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>



Re: New to DDK. Basic questions by John

John
Mon May 02 11:27:27 CDT 2005

OBTW, I went from no license to General the first time I took the test
(after about 1 month studying) and then went back 3 weeks later and received
my Extra.

73's
John
KW7A



"Gary G. Little" <glittle@mn.rr.com> wrote in message
news:NiTce.36761$PA4.33116@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> HAAAA! 6 months? For a new driver writer to do a virtual ANTYHING is a
> minimum of 1, more like two years, IF he takes an OSR or Azius seminar. On
> his own with no kernel experience? Good luck. It's easier for a NOVICE to
> become a General having nothing to listen to but 60 words a minute CW.
>
> --
> Gary G. Little
> (formerly KA6ETP)
>
> "John Long" <john@thelongs.us> wrote in message
> news:uN6sz1nSFHA.204@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
> > Thanks for the replys.
> >
> > I'm one ot those types that likes to get everything lined up and then
jump
> > in over my head ;-) .....
> >
> > Besides, this will keep me of the streets for the next 6 months......
> >
> >
> > John
> >
> >
> >
> > "John Long" <john@thelongs.us> wrote in message
> > news:%23XKh0vmSFHA.3236@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> >> I am new to the DDK.
> >> I am going to develope a simple virtual device driver for a Ham Radio
> >> progect.
> >>
> >> What tools do I need?
> >> I have Visual Studio Pro 2003 & I just received the DDK from
> >> Microsoft.
> >>
> >> I noticed that I should be developing in C++.
> >> So do I need VS Pro 6.0 for C++ or can I use the Standard VS C++
6.0,
> > any
> >> older versiond of VS C++, or any way to use the C++ complier in the VS
> >> Pro
> >> .NET versions?
> >>
> >> I read where some people do development in a good IDE and do unit
testing
> >> there and then do the final compiling and testing with VS Pro C++ 6.0.
> >> So
> > I
> >> don't go out and purchase the wrong thing I am oppen to sugestions.
> >>
> >> Since I may be selling the final product, I wish to stay legal.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Thanks for any help.
> >>
> >> John Long
> >> Salt Lake City, Utah USA
> >> john@thelongs.us
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>



Re: New to DDK. Basic questions by John

John
Mon May 02 14:11:26 CDT 2005

Did I call this by the wrong name ???

As I read more and more I wonder if I am calling this by its correct name.

By virtual I was referring to it not having any hardware connected to it,
just another program. Not that it worked on a Virtual OS.
Should I have referred to it as a "Fake" device driver ????

What I want is for existing software that talks to a serial port to be able
to connect to my software program via a new "Fake" device driver that routes
the data to/from my program via a new (fake) com port (com 5 ?? etc).

Does that describe it better?
What is the correct name for such a thing????

John




"John Long" <john@thelongs.us> wrote in message
news:%23XKh0vmSFHA.3236@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> I am new to the DDK.
> I am going to develope a simple virtual device driver for a Ham Radio
> progect.
>
> What tools do I need?
> I have Visual Studio Pro 2003 & I just received the DDK from Microsoft.
>
> I noticed that I should be developing in C++.
> So do I need VS Pro 6.0 for C++ or can I use the Standard VS C++ 6.0,
any
> older versiond of VS C++, or any way to use the C++ complier in the VS Pro
> .NET versions?
>
> I read where some people do development in a good IDE and do unit testing
> there and then do the final compiling and testing with VS Pro C++ 6.0. So
I
> don't go out and purchase the wrong thing I am oppen to sugestions.
>
> Since I may be selling the final product, I wish to stay legal.
>
>
>
> Thanks for any help.
>
> John Long
> Salt Lake City, Utah USA
> john@thelongs.us
>
>
>
>



Re: New to DDK. Basic questions by Doron

Doron
Tue May 03 08:46:01 CDT 2005

virtual serial ports are actually one of the hardest drivers to get right.
It is actually much easier to have a NULL modem cable connected to 2 serial
ports and have your 2nd app open up the 2nd port and communicate with the
first application over the cable w/out any additional drivers involved.

d

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"John Long" <john@thelongs.us> wrote in message
news:uAsJyr0TFHA.2768@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> Did I call this by the wrong name ???
>
> As I read more and more I wonder if I am calling this by its correct name.
>
> By virtual I was referring to it not having any hardware connected to it,
> just another program. Not that it worked on a Virtual OS.
> Should I have referred to it as a "Fake" device driver ????
>
> What I want is for existing software that talks to a serial port to be
> able
> to connect to my software program via a new "Fake" device driver that
> routes
> the data to/from my program via a new (fake) com port (com 5 ?? etc).
>
> Does that describe it better?
> What is the correct name for such a thing????
>
> John
>
>
>
>
> "John Long" <john@thelongs.us> wrote in message
> news:%23XKh0vmSFHA.3236@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>> I am new to the DDK.
>> I am going to develope a simple virtual device driver for a Ham Radio
>> progect.
>>
>> What tools do I need?
>> I have Visual Studio Pro 2003 & I just received the DDK from
>> Microsoft.
>>
>> I noticed that I should be developing in C++.
>> So do I need VS Pro 6.0 for C++ or can I use the Standard VS C++ 6.0,
> any
>> older versiond of VS C++, or any way to use the C++ complier in the VS
>> Pro
>> .NET versions?
>>
>> I read where some people do development in a good IDE and do unit testing
>> there and then do the final compiling and testing with VS Pro C++ 6.0.
>> So
> I
>> don't go out and purchase the wrong thing I am oppen to sugestions.
>>
>> Since I may be selling the final product, I wish to stay legal.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks for any help.
>>
>> John Long
>> Salt Lake City, Utah USA
>> john@thelongs.us
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>



Re: New to DDK. Basic questions by Gary

Gary
Fri Jun 09 09:18:41 CDT 2006

So what makes you think you need a device driver to do this. Why not a
service, DLL, or other user mode application using named or anonymous pipes,
or some other form of IPC? There is less learning time, as in years, for
this type of approach, and VS generally has wizards that will give you a
decent start with a skeleton project. Also, you can use C++ to your hearts
content. Device driver work is generally restricted to C, and not C++, and
currently yhe primary recommendation os to use KMDF.

--
The personal opinion of
Gary G. Little

"John Long" <john@thelongs.us> wrote in message
news:uAsJyr0TFHA.2768@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> Did I call this by the wrong name ???
>
> As I read more and more I wonder if I am calling this by its correct name.
>
> By virtual I was referring to it not having any hardware connected to it,
> just another program. Not that it worked on a Virtual OS.
> Should I have referred to it as a "Fake" device driver ????
>
> What I want is for existing software that talks to a serial port to be
> able
> to connect to my software program via a new "Fake" device driver that
> routes
> the data to/from my program via a new (fake) com port (com 5 ?? etc).
>
> Does that describe it better?
> What is the correct name for such a thing????
>
> John
>
>
>
>
> "John Long" <john@thelongs.us> wrote in message
> news:%23XKh0vmSFHA.3236@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>> I am new to the DDK.
>> I am going to develope a simple virtual device driver for a Ham Radio
>> progect.
>>
>> What tools do I need?
>> I have Visual Studio Pro 2003 & I just received the DDK from
>> Microsoft.
>>
>> I noticed that I should be developing in C++.
>> So do I need VS Pro 6.0 for C++ or can I use the Standard VS C++ 6.0,
> any
>> older versiond of VS C++, or any way to use the C++ complier in the VS
>> Pro
>> .NET versions?
>>
>> I read where some people do development in a good IDE and do unit testing
>> there and then do the final compiling and testing with VS Pro C++ 6.0.
>> So
> I
>> don't go out and purchase the wrong thing I am oppen to sugestions.
>>
>> Since I may be selling the final product, I wish to stay legal.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks for any help.
>>
>> John Long
>> Salt Lake City, Utah USA
>> john@thelongs.us
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>