Alternative for Microsofts DDK...

Hi,

i dont have a MSDN Subscription and i dont have that much money to
subscribe for the MSDN Package, but i am highly interested in developing
Hardware Drivers, especially how this can be "mastered" on Windows
Systems. So here comes my question: Is there a alternative DDK for
the Microsoft NT based Systems, because i want to find out, how this
works in "real-life" with my own drivers...
Best would be a freeware or even open source solution...


Best Regards

Kerem Gümrükcü

Don
Mon Nov 21 11:00:49 CST 2005

Get the Microsoft DDK for Windows 2003 SP1, see
http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/devtools/ddk/orderddkcd.mspx you can have
this for the cost of shipping (typically less than $15 US).

Using anything other than the DDK is asking for trouble.


--
Don Burn (MVP, Windows DDK)
Windows 2k/XP/2k3 Filesystem and Driver Consulting
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"Kerem Gümrükcü" <kareem114@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Hi,
>
> i dont have a MSDN Subscription and i dont have that much money to
> subscribe for the MSDN Package, but i am highly interested in developing
> Hardware Drivers, especially how this can be "mastered" on Windows
> Systems. So here comes my question: Is there a alternative DDK for
> the Microsoft NT based Systems, because i want to find out, how this
> works in "real-life" with my own drivers...
> Best would be a freeware or even open source solution...
>
>
> Best Regards
>
> Kerem Gümrükcü
>

Ali
Mon Nov 21 11:58:07 CST 2005


You can have look at following resources for development but DDK is the
best.

www.compuware.com/products/driverstudio/softice.htm
http://www.jungo.co.uk/html/products/windriver/index.htm

Don, do these kits can compile the code without installed DDK? or they
all have *include*(wdm.h) files in their kits .

Regards,
ali

Don
Mon Nov 21 12:08:15 CST 2005

They will build without, of course debugging them without the DDK is
something only a masochist would think about. Also, since they cost
significantly more than an MSDN subscription (let alone the $15 for the
DDK), they don't meet the OP's needs. Finally, they both have bugs that can
make things unpleasant for the developer.



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Windows 2k/XP/2k3 Filesystem and Driver Consulting
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"Ali" <abdulrazaq@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> You can have look at following resources for development but DDK is the
> best.
>
> www.compuware.com/products/driverstudio/softice.htm
> http://www.jungo.co.uk/html/products/windriver/index.htm
>
> Don, do these kits can compile the code without installed DDK? or they
> all have *include*(wdm.h) files in their kits .
>
> Regards,
> ali
>

Kerem
Mon Nov 21 12:34:52 CST 2005

Hi,

thank you for the answers. I thought the DDK would be much more expensive,
but 15$ is more than acceptable. I think i will order one...

Best Regards

Kerem Gümrükcü



"Kerem Gümrükcü" <kareem114@hotmail.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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> Hi,
>
> i dont have a MSDN Subscription and i dont have that much money to
> subscribe for the MSDN Package, but i am highly interested in developing
> Hardware Drivers, especially how this can be "mastered" on Windows
> Systems. So here comes my question: Is there a alternative DDK for
> the Microsoft NT based Systems, because i want to find out, how this
> works in "real-life" with my own drivers...
> Best would be a freeware or even open source solution...
>
>
> Best Regards
>
> Kerem Gümrükcü
>

Avi
Tue Nov 22 04:49:05 CST 2005

Hi,

Note that the DDK itself costs $199. The shipping is approx. $15

Avi.


"Kerem Gümrükcü" <kareem114@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Hi,
>
> thank you for the answers. I thought the DDK would be much more expensive,
> but 15$ is more than acceptable. I think i will order one...
>
> Best Regards
>
> Kerem Gümrükcü
>
>
>
> "Kerem Gümrükcü" <kareem114@hotmail.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
> news:OoYI1pr7FHA.3804@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
>> Hi,
>>
>> i dont have a MSDN Subscription and i dont have that much money to
>> subscribe for the MSDN Package, but i am highly interested in developing
>> Hardware Drivers, especially how this can be "mastered" on Windows
>> Systems. So here comes my question: Is there a alternative DDK for
>> the Microsoft NT based Systems, because i want to find out, how this
>> works in "real-life" with my own drivers...
>> Best would be a freeware or even open source solution...
>>
>>
>> Best Regards
>>
>> Kerem Gümrükcü
>>
>
>

Mark
Tue Nov 22 06:24:53 CST 2005

On Tue, 22 Nov 2005 11:49:05 +0100, "Avi Cohen Stuart"
<aviXcohenXstuart@ssaglobalXcom> wrote:

>Hi,
>
>Note that the DDK itself costs $199. The shipping is approx. $15
>

Wrong. The ddk is priced at 'the cost of shipping'. You are probably
confused about the 'DDK Suite' which is, in my opinion, worthless at
$199.


>Avi.
>
>
>"Kerem Gümrükcü" <kareem114@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:e$Mwaps7FHA.1248@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
>> Hi,
>>
>> thank you for the answers. I thought the DDK would be much more expensive,
>> but 15$ is more than acceptable. I think i will order one...
>>
>> Best Regards
>>
>> Kerem Gümrükcü
>>
>>
>>
>> "Kerem Gümrükcü" <kareem114@hotmail.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
>> news:OoYI1pr7FHA.3804@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> i dont have a MSDN Subscription and i dont have that much money to
>>> subscribe for the MSDN Package, but i am highly interested in developing
>>> Hardware Drivers, especially how this can be "mastered" on Windows
>>> Systems. So here comes my question: Is there a alternative DDK for
>>> the Microsoft NT based Systems, because i want to find out, how this
>>> works in "real-life" with my own drivers...
>>> Best would be a freeware or even open source solution...
>>>
>>>
>>> Best Regards
>>>
>>> Kerem Gümrükcü
>>>
>>
>>
>
=====================
Mark Roddy DDK MVP
Windows Vista/2003/XP/2000 Consulting
Device and Filesystem Drivers
Hollis Technology Solutions 603-321-1032
www.hollistech.com

Avi
Wed Nov 23 06:42:00 CST 2005

Hi Mark,

I stand corrected. The $199 is indeed for the DDK Suite which different from
the Windows Server 2003 SP1 DDK.

Thanks and appologies if I scared the original poster away...

Avi.


"Mark Roddy" <markr@hollistech.com> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 22 Nov 2005 11:49:05 +0100, "Avi Cohen Stuart"
> <aviXcohenXstuart@ssaglobalXcom> wrote:
>
>>Hi,
>>
>>Note that the DDK itself costs $199. The shipping is approx. $15
>>
>
> Wrong. The ddk is priced at 'the cost of shipping'. You are probably
> confused about the 'DDK Suite' which is, in my opinion, worthless at
> $199.
>
>
>>Avi.
>>
>>
>>"Kerem Gümrükcü" <kareem114@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>news:e$Mwaps7FHA.1248@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> thank you for the answers. I thought the DDK would be much more
>>> expensive,
>>> but 15$ is more than acceptable. I think i will order one...
>>>
>>> Best Regards
>>>
>>> Kerem Gümrükcü
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Kerem Gümrükcü" <kareem114@hotmail.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
>>> news:OoYI1pr7FHA.3804@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> i dont have a MSDN Subscription and i dont have that much money to
>>>> subscribe for the MSDN Package, but i am highly interested in
>>>> developing
>>>> Hardware Drivers, especially how this can be "mastered" on Windows
>>>> Systems. So here comes my question: Is there a alternative DDK for
>>>> the Microsoft NT based Systems, because i want to find out, how this
>>>> works in "real-life" with my own drivers...
>>>> Best would be a freeware or even open source solution...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Best Regards
>>>>
>>>> Kerem Gümrükcü
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
> =====================
> Mark Roddy DDK MVP
> Windows Vista/2003/XP/2000 Consulting
> Device and Filesystem Drivers
> Hollis Technology Solutions 603-321-1032
> www.hollistech.com