We have a VB.NET application that runs on a CE.NET 5 device, and at present
users return to the office to upload and download data by logging into the
main SQL server. We will shortly need to accommodate users accessing the
server remotely (from outside WiFi range) . What possibilities are there for
this? I have looked at literature, and as far as I can see, I have 2
possibilities - GPS and internet. Our handheld device has an optional GPS
module, but is it possible to connect the CE.NET device directly to the
office network using a combination of the existing 802.11b module in the
device, a wireless broadband router and VPN, or use an ftp site to transfer
data. I can see these options being easier to implement and cheaper (which
is the most important) than GPS. What hardware/software would I need for any
of these options? I am completely new to this area, so any help would be
appreciated. Thanks in advance.

Andy Baker

Re: WAN communications by Paul

Paul
Wed Feb 14 10:58:12 CST 2007

No, not quite the right terminology. GPS is the set of satellites which
tell you where you are located on Earth, not a communications method.
Internet is also not a connection method.

I think you mean GPRS, which is a data connection protocol which things like
GSM phones (Cingular/T-Mobile/most, if not all of Europe), provide. If the
device has a *GPRS* module, then you'll need cellular service from a company
which provides GSM/GPRS connections and you'll need some way for connections
from the Internet, which is effectively where the GPRS connection will
'take' the device, into your corporate network. Once you have that, whether
it's a VPN or just an open port of some sort (HTTP, FTP, whatever), you can
send and receive data between your corporate network and the device anywhere
it can get a connection. If the device does not have GPRS capability,
you'll have to figure something else out; GPS won't help.

If you want a recommendation, the best security will be with a VPN
connection, which prevents anyone from listening in on your 'conversations'
between the device and the server and which prevents anyone from
impersonating the valid client and getting access to your network. Your
router may offer VPN connections or you can use any number of different
servers to construct one. You'll have to see what you have, what
capabilities it provides, and read up, if it's not enough, on what you need
to add.

Paul T.

"Andy Baker" <abaker@NOSPAMvanputer.com> wrote in message
news:45d338e8$0$8727$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader02.plus.net...
> We have a VB.NET application that runs on a CE.NET 5 device, and at
> present users return to the office to upload and download data by logging
> into the main SQL server. We will shortly need to accommodate users
> accessing the server remotely (from outside WiFi range) . What
> possibilities are there for this? I have looked at literature, and as far
> as I can see, I have 2 possibilities - GPS and internet. Our handheld
> device has an optional GPS module, but is it possible to connect the
> CE.NET device directly to the office network using a combination of the
> existing 802.11b module in the device, a wireless broadband router and
> VPN, or use an ftp site to transfer data. I can see these options being
> easier to implement and cheaper (which is the most important) than GPS.
> What hardware/software would I need for any of these options? I am
> completely new to this area, so any help would be appreciated. Thanks in
> advance.
>
> Andy Baker
>
>



Re: WAN communications by msgroup

msgroup
Wed Feb 14 15:55:41 CST 2007

Hi, Andy:

Our SocketPro at www.udaparts.com has a free remote database service,
which supports DIRECT accessing any remote databases from either PocketPC or
smartphone at http://www.udaparts.com/document/articles/dialupdb.htm

There are many database samples available inside the socket pro package.

See a real industrial application written from our SocketPro at
http://www.udaparts.com/groups/viewtopic.php?t=39 and
http://www.wramp.net/wramp.html.

You can ask for more questions at
http://www.udaparts.com/groups/index.php


Cheers.



"Andy Baker" <abaker@NOSPAMvanputer.com> wrote in message
news:45d338e8$0$8727$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader02.plus.net...
> We have a VB.NET application that runs on a CE.NET 5 device, and at
> present users return to the office to upload and download data by logging
> into the main SQL server. We will shortly need to accommodate users
> accessing the server remotely (from outside WiFi range) . What
> possibilities are there for this? I have looked at literature, and as far
> as I can see, I have 2 possibilities - GPS and internet. Our handheld
> device has an optional GPS module, but is it possible to connect the
> CE.NET device directly to the office network using a combination of the
> existing 802.11b module in the device, a wireless broadband router and
> VPN, or use an ftp site to transfer data. I can see these options being
> easier to implement and cheaper (which is the most important) than GPS.
> What hardware/software would I need for any of these options? I am
> completely new to this area, so any help would be appreciated. Thanks in
> advance.
>
> Andy Baker
>
>



Re: WAN communications by Andy

Andy
Thu Feb 15 03:25:57 CST 2007

Thanks Paul. I did mean GPRS - the device has an optional GPRS module. I
will look into the possibilities as you suggest. The customer will probably
want the cheapest solution - which from what I have found so far, doesn't
sound like GPRS - the additional cost of the hardware and paying for data
transmission by the MB. Can I set up a VPN connection straight from the CE
device with a router/ASDL modem and my .NET application, or do I need
additional hardware? The router that I have been looking at is the Linksys
WRVS4400N, which says it has VPN capabilities. Thanks for your help.

Andy Baker

"Paul G. Tobey [eMVP]" <p space tobey no spam AT no instrument no spam DOT
com> wrote in message news:OUKPtjFUHHA.1364@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> No, not quite the right terminology. GPS is the set of satellites which
> tell you where you are located on Earth, not a communications method.
> Internet is also not a connection method.
>
> I think you mean GPRS, which is a data connection protocol which things
> like GSM phones (Cingular/T-Mobile/most, if not all of Europe), provide.
> If the device has a *GPRS* module, then you'll need cellular service from
> a company which provides GSM/GPRS connections and you'll need some way for
> connections from the Internet, which is effectively where the GPRS
> connection will 'take' the device, into your corporate network. Once you
> have that, whether it's a VPN or just an open port of some sort (HTTP,
> FTP, whatever), you can send and receive data between your corporate
> network and the device anywhere it can get a connection. If the device
> does not have GPRS capability, you'll have to figure something else out;
> GPS won't help.
>
> If you want a recommendation, the best security will be with a VPN
> connection, which prevents anyone from listening in on your
> 'conversations' between the device and the server and which prevents
> anyone from impersonating the valid client and getting access to your
> network. Your router may offer VPN connections or you can use any number
> of different servers to construct one. You'll have to see what you have,
> what capabilities it provides, and read up, if it's not enough, on what
> you need to add.
>
> Paul T.
>
> "Andy Baker" <abaker@NOSPAMvanputer.com> wrote in message
> news:45d338e8$0$8727$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader02.plus.net...
>> We have a VB.NET application that runs on a CE.NET 5 device, and at
>> present users return to the office to upload and download data by logging
>> into the main SQL server. We will shortly need to accommodate users
>> accessing the server remotely (from outside WiFi range) . What
>> possibilities are there for this? I have looked at literature, and as far
>> as I can see, I have 2 possibilities - GPS and internet. Our handheld
>> device has an optional GPS module, but is it possible to connect the
>> CE.NET device directly to the office network using a combination of the
>> existing 802.11b module in the device, a wireless broadband router and
>> VPN, or use an ftp site to transfer data. I can see these options being
>> easier to implement and cheaper (which is the most important) than GPS.
>> What hardware/software would I need for any of these options? I am
>> completely new to this area, so any help would be appreciated. Thanks in
>> advance.
>>
>> Andy Baker
>>
>>
>
>



Re: WAN communications by Andy

Andy
Thu Feb 15 03:28:49 CST 2007

Thanks. I need to get the hardware sorted out first, then I will look at
this.

Andy Baker


"msgroup" <nospam@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:OzEzfLIUHHA.388@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> Hi, Andy:
>
> Our SocketPro at www.udaparts.com has a free remote database service,
> which supports DIRECT accessing any remote databases from either PocketPC
> or smartphone at http://www.udaparts.com/document/articles/dialupdb.htm
>
> There are many database samples available inside the socket pro
> package.
>
> See a real industrial application written from our SocketPro at
> http://www.udaparts.com/groups/viewtopic.php?t=39 and
> http://www.wramp.net/wramp.html.
>
> You can ask for more questions at
> http://www.udaparts.com/groups/index.php
>
>
> Cheers.
>
>
>
> "Andy Baker" <abaker@NOSPAMvanputer.com> wrote in message
> news:45d338e8$0$8727$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader02.plus.net...
>> We have a VB.NET application that runs on a CE.NET 5 device, and at
>> present users return to the office to upload and download data by logging
>> into the main SQL server. We will shortly need to accommodate users
>> accessing the server remotely (from outside WiFi range) . What
>> possibilities are there for this? I have looked at literature, and as far
>> as I can see, I have 2 possibilities - GPS and internet. Our handheld
>> device has an optional GPS module, but is it possible to connect the
>> CE.NET device directly to the office network using a combination of the
>> existing 802.11b module in the device, a wireless broadband router and
>> VPN, or use an ftp site to transfer data. I can see these options being
>> easier to implement and cheaper (which is the most important) than GPS.
>> What hardware/software would I need for any of these options? I am
>> completely new to this area, so any help would be appreciated. Thanks in
>> advance.
>>
>> Andy Baker
>>
>>
>
>



Re: WAN communications by Paul

Paul
Thu Feb 15 10:24:49 CST 2007

Cingular/AT&T has an unlimited data plan for $20/month over and above
regular voice service. That's what I have on my WM5 phone.

How would you communicate with your router? You have to get on *some*
network. The cellular networks are by far the most-widespread. If the
device might be anywhere, that's basically the only way to go.

Once you are on the Internet, that router should be OK, but, again, you have
to get on some network somewhere...

Paul T.

"Andy Baker" <abaker@NOSPAMvanputer.com> wrote in message
news:45d4271d$0$8740$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader02.plus.net...
> Thanks Paul. I did mean GPRS - the device has an optional GPRS module. I
> will look into the possibilities as you suggest. The customer will
> probably want the cheapest solution - which from what I have found so far,
> doesn't sound like GPRS - the additional cost of the hardware and paying
> for data transmission by the MB. Can I set up a VPN connection straight
> from the CE device with a router/ASDL modem and my .NET application, or do
> I need additional hardware? The router that I have been looking at is the
> Linksys WRVS4400N, which says it has VPN capabilities. Thanks for your
> help.
>
> Andy Baker
>
> "Paul G. Tobey [eMVP]" <p space tobey no spam AT no instrument no spam DOT
> com> wrote in message news:OUKPtjFUHHA.1364@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>> No, not quite the right terminology. GPS is the set of satellites which
>> tell you where you are located on Earth, not a communications method.
>> Internet is also not a connection method.
>>
>> I think you mean GPRS, which is a data connection protocol which things
>> like GSM phones (Cingular/T-Mobile/most, if not all of Europe), provide.
>> If the device has a *GPRS* module, then you'll need cellular service from
>> a company which provides GSM/GPRS connections and you'll need some way
>> for connections from the Internet, which is effectively where the GPRS
>> connection will 'take' the device, into your corporate network. Once you
>> have that, whether it's a VPN or just an open port of some sort (HTTP,
>> FTP, whatever), you can send and receive data between your corporate
>> network and the device anywhere it can get a connection. If the device
>> does not have GPRS capability, you'll have to figure something else out;
>> GPS won't help.
>>
>> If you want a recommendation, the best security will be with a VPN
>> connection, which prevents anyone from listening in on your
>> 'conversations' between the device and the server and which prevents
>> anyone from impersonating the valid client and getting access to your
>> network. Your router may offer VPN connections or you can use any number
>> of different servers to construct one. You'll have to see what you have,
>> what capabilities it provides, and read up, if it's not enough, on what
>> you need to add.
>>
>> Paul T.
>>
>> "Andy Baker" <abaker@NOSPAMvanputer.com> wrote in message
>> news:45d338e8$0$8727$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader02.plus.net...
>>> We have a VB.NET application that runs on a CE.NET 5 device, and at
>>> present users return to the office to upload and download data by
>>> logging into the main SQL server. We will shortly need to accommodate
>>> users accessing the server remotely (from outside WiFi range) . What
>>> possibilities are there for this? I have looked at literature, and as
>>> far as I can see, I have 2 possibilities - GPS and internet. Our
>>> handheld device has an optional GPS module, but is it possible to
>>> connect the CE.NET device directly to the office network using a
>>> combination of the existing 802.11b module in the device, a wireless
>>> broadband router and VPN, or use an ftp site to transfer data. I can see
>>> these options being easier to implement and cheaper (which is the most
>>> important) than GPS. What hardware/software would I need for any of
>>> these options? I am completely new to this area, so any help would be
>>> appreciated. Thanks in advance.
>>>
>>> Andy Baker
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>



Re: WAN communications by Andy

Andy
Fri Feb 16 04:06:55 CST 2007

I should have mentioned that I am in the UK - here I think all pricing is by
the MB at the moment. The CE device has an 802.11b WiFi unit built in that I
will use to communicate with the router, and the device will only need to
communicate once the salesperson finishes the day's work, so could plug into
a phone connection at home or at a remote office - probably most of them
have broadband connections at home anyway. I will look into it some more.
Thanks for your help.

Andy Baker

"Paul G. Tobey [eMVP]" <p space tobey no spam AT no instrument no spam DOT
com> wrote in message news:u4f%23u1RUHHA.528@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> Cingular/AT&T has an unlimited data plan for $20/month over and above
> regular voice service. That's what I have on my WM5 phone.
>
> How would you communicate with your router? You have to get on *some*
> network. The cellular networks are by far the most-widespread. If the
> device might be anywhere, that's basically the only way to go.
>
> Once you are on the Internet, that router should be OK, but, again, you
> have to get on some network somewhere...
>
> Paul T.
>
> "Andy Baker" <abaker@NOSPAMvanputer.com> wrote in message
> news:45d4271d$0$8740$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader02.plus.net...
>> Thanks Paul. I did mean GPRS - the device has an optional GPRS module. I
>> will look into the possibilities as you suggest. The customer will
>> probably want the cheapest solution - which from what I have found so
>> far, doesn't sound like GPRS - the additional cost of the hardware and
>> paying for data transmission by the MB. Can I set up a VPN connection
>> straight from the CE device with a router/ASDL modem and my .NET
>> application, or do I need additional hardware? The router that I have
>> been looking at is the Linksys WRVS4400N, which says it has VPN
>> capabilities. Thanks for your help.
>>
>> Andy Baker
>>
>> "Paul G. Tobey [eMVP]" <p space tobey no spam AT no instrument no spam
>> DOT com> wrote in message news:OUKPtjFUHHA.1364@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>> No, not quite the right terminology. GPS is the set of satellites which
>>> tell you where you are located on Earth, not a communications method.
>>> Internet is also not a connection method.
>>>
>>> I think you mean GPRS, which is a data connection protocol which things
>>> like GSM phones (Cingular/T-Mobile/most, if not all of Europe), provide.
>>> If the device has a *GPRS* module, then you'll need cellular service
>>> from a company which provides GSM/GPRS connections and you'll need some
>>> way for connections from the Internet, which is effectively where the
>>> GPRS connection will 'take' the device, into your corporate network.
>>> Once you have that, whether it's a VPN or just an open port of some sort
>>> (HTTP, FTP, whatever), you can send and receive data between your
>>> corporate network and the device anywhere it can get a connection. If
>>> the device does not have GPRS capability, you'll have to figure
>>> something else out; GPS won't help.
>>>
>>> If you want a recommendation, the best security will be with a VPN
>>> connection, which prevents anyone from listening in on your
>>> 'conversations' between the device and the server and which prevents
>>> anyone from impersonating the valid client and getting access to your
>>> network. Your router may offer VPN connections or you can use any
>>> number of different servers to construct one. You'll have to see what
>>> you have, what capabilities it provides, and read up, if it's not
>>> enough, on what you need to add.
>>>
>>> Paul T.
>>>
>>> "Andy Baker" <abaker@NOSPAMvanputer.com> wrote in message
>>> news:45d338e8$0$8727$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader02.plus.net...
>>>> We have a VB.NET application that runs on a CE.NET 5 device, and at
>>>> present users return to the office to upload and download data by
>>>> logging into the main SQL server. We will shortly need to accommodate
>>>> users accessing the server remotely (from outside WiFi range) . What
>>>> possibilities are there for this? I have looked at literature, and as
>>>> far as I can see, I have 2 possibilities - GPS and internet. Our
>>>> handheld device has an optional GPS module, but is it possible to
>>>> connect the CE.NET device directly to the office network using a
>>>> combination of the existing 802.11b module in the device, a wireless
>>>> broadband router and VPN, or use an ftp site to transfer data. I can
>>>> see these options being easier to implement and cheaper (which is the
>>>> most important) than GPS. What hardware/software would I need for any
>>>> of these options? I am completely new to this area, so any help would
>>>> be appreciated. Thanks in advance.
>>>>
>>>> Andy Baker
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>



Re: WAN communications by Paul

Paul
Fri Feb 16 10:07:49 CST 2007

If WiFi is fine then you can do almost anything, yes.

Paul T.

"Andy Baker" <abaker@NOSPAMvanputer.com> wrote in message
news:45d58230$0$8725$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader02.plus.net...
>I should have mentioned that I am in the UK - here I think all pricing is
>by the MB at the moment. The CE device has an 802.11b WiFi unit built in
>that I will use to communicate with the router, and the device will only
>need to communicate once the salesperson finishes the day's work, so could
>plug into a phone connection at home or at a remote office - probably most
>of them have broadband connections at home anyway. I will look into it some
>more. Thanks for your help.
>
> Andy Baker
>
> "Paul G. Tobey [eMVP]" <p space tobey no spam AT no instrument no spam DOT
> com> wrote in message news:u4f%23u1RUHHA.528@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>> Cingular/AT&T has an unlimited data plan for $20/month over and above
>> regular voice service. That's what I have on my WM5 phone.
>>
>> How would you communicate with your router? You have to get on *some*
>> network. The cellular networks are by far the most-widespread. If the
>> device might be anywhere, that's basically the only way to go.
>>
>> Once you are on the Internet, that router should be OK, but, again, you
>> have to get on some network somewhere...
>>
>> Paul T.
>>
>> "Andy Baker" <abaker@NOSPAMvanputer.com> wrote in message
>> news:45d4271d$0$8740$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader02.plus.net...
>>> Thanks Paul. I did mean GPRS - the device has an optional GPRS module. I
>>> will look into the possibilities as you suggest. The customer will
>>> probably want the cheapest solution - which from what I have found so
>>> far, doesn't sound like GPRS - the additional cost of the hardware and
>>> paying for data transmission by the MB. Can I set up a VPN connection
>>> straight from the CE device with a router/ASDL modem and my .NET
>>> application, or do I need additional hardware? The router that I have
>>> been looking at is the Linksys WRVS4400N, which says it has VPN
>>> capabilities. Thanks for your help.
>>>
>>> Andy Baker
>>>
>>> "Paul G. Tobey [eMVP]" <p space tobey no spam AT no instrument no spam
>>> DOT com> wrote in message news:OUKPtjFUHHA.1364@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>>> No, not quite the right terminology. GPS is the set of satellites
>>>> which tell you where you are located on Earth, not a communications
>>>> method. Internet is also not a connection method.
>>>>
>>>> I think you mean GPRS, which is a data connection protocol which things
>>>> like GSM phones (Cingular/T-Mobile/most, if not all of Europe),
>>>> provide. If the device has a *GPRS* module, then you'll need cellular
>>>> service from a company which provides GSM/GPRS connections and you'll
>>>> need some way for connections from the Internet, which is effectively
>>>> where the GPRS connection will 'take' the device, into your corporate
>>>> network. Once you have that, whether it's a VPN or just an open port of
>>>> some sort (HTTP, FTP, whatever), you can send and receive data between
>>>> your corporate network and the device anywhere it can get a connection.
>>>> If the device does not have GPRS capability, you'll have to figure
>>>> something else out; GPS won't help.
>>>>
>>>> If you want a recommendation, the best security will be with a VPN
>>>> connection, which prevents anyone from listening in on your
>>>> 'conversations' between the device and the server and which prevents
>>>> anyone from impersonating the valid client and getting access to your
>>>> network. Your router may offer VPN connections or you can use any
>>>> number of different servers to construct one. You'll have to see what
>>>> you have, what capabilities it provides, and read up, if it's not
>>>> enough, on what you need to add.
>>>>
>>>> Paul T.
>>>>
>>>> "Andy Baker" <abaker@NOSPAMvanputer.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:45d338e8$0$8727$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader02.plus.net...
>>>>> We have a VB.NET application that runs on a CE.NET 5 device, and at
>>>>> present users return to the office to upload and download data by
>>>>> logging into the main SQL server. We will shortly need to accommodate
>>>>> users accessing the server remotely (from outside WiFi range) . What
>>>>> possibilities are there for this? I have looked at literature, and as
>>>>> far as I can see, I have 2 possibilities - GPS and internet. Our
>>>>> handheld device has an optional GPS module, but is it possible to
>>>>> connect the CE.NET device directly to the office network using a
>>>>> combination of the existing 802.11b module in the device, a wireless
>>>>> broadband router and VPN, or use an ftp site to transfer data. I can
>>>>> see these options being easier to implement and cheaper (which is the
>>>>> most important) than GPS. What hardware/software would I need for any
>>>>> of these options? I am completely new to this area, so any help would
>>>>> be appreciated. Thanks in advance.
>>>>>
>>>>> Andy Baker
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>