Beating a dead Horse: Which Language

Hi,

I know that I'm an extreme newb by asking this overly beaten question,
but I am leaning toward C#, becuase the perception is that it is better
to learn than VB.Net. I guess it makes you cooler.:-)

Anyhow, I am a novice programmer, and I will remain one as well...I have
no plans to make programming my life ambition, but I think that it would
be fun to make my databases do some cool tricks and maybe write a
simplistic client to access the database over the LAN, and by internet
as well. My programing will be centered around Data manipulation, i.e.
collecting, sorting, and reporting on this data to myself.....

I want to know which language you find most compelling to accomplish my
mission. It may be that it doesn't have anything at all to do with the
language, from my understanding they are close to equal, but everyone I
come in contact with prefer C# over VB.net


Please, NO FLAMES; just logic


Thank you in advance!

John
Mon Jun 27 19:53:46 CDT 2005

cfmortgagepro@yahoo.com wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I know that I'm an extreme newb by asking this overly beaten question,
> but I am leaning toward C#, becuase the perception is that it is better
> to learn than VB.Net. I guess it makes you cooler.:-)
>
Its not "cooler" just green, and I prefer green over blue :)

> Anyhow, I am a novice programmer, and I will remain one as well...I have
> no plans to make programming my life ambition, but I think that it would
> be fun to make my databases do some cool tricks and maybe write a
> simplistic client to access the database over the LAN, and by internet
> as well. My programing will be centered around Data manipulation, i.e.
> collecting, sorting, and reporting on this data to myself.....
>
> I want to know which language you find most compelling to accomplish my
> mission. It may be that it doesn't have anything at all to do with the
> language, from my understanding they are close to equal, but everyone I
> come in contact with prefer C# over VB.net
>
Honestly I think that both would suit your simple requirements just fine
so it comes down to a preference of which syntax you prefer.

VB.Net is possibly "simpler" for a novice as it gives you quite a bit of
help with filling out constructs such as if/where/for/properties etc..
and gives you design time syntax checking with background compile.

Personally I prefer c# but thats just me.

JB

>
> Please, NO FLAMES; just logic
>
>
> Thank you in advance!

Sahil
Mon Jun 27 19:57:30 CDT 2005

Do both.

Learn the framework and learn both languages. Then become polished in
whichever the first project is on - that is what you will get most practise
with anyway.

- Sahil Malik [MVP]
Upcoming ADO.NET 2.0 book - http://tinyurl.com/9bync
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<cfmortgagepro@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:zZ0we.9723$Zo.3956@bignews3.bellsouth.net...
> Hi,
>
> I know that I'm an extreme newb by asking this overly beaten question,
> but I am leaning toward C#, becuase the perception is that it is better
> to learn than VB.Net. I guess it makes you cooler.:-)
>
> Anyhow, I am a novice programmer, and I will remain one as well...I have
> no plans to make programming my life ambition, but I think that it would
> be fun to make my databases do some cool tricks and maybe write a
> simplistic client to access the database over the LAN, and by internet
> as well. My programing will be centered around Data manipulation, i.e.
> collecting, sorting, and reporting on this data to myself.....
>
> I want to know which language you find most compelling to accomplish my
> mission. It may be that it doesn't have anything at all to do with the
> language, from my understanding they are close to equal, but everyone I
> come in contact with prefer C# over VB.net
>
>
> Please, NO FLAMES; just logic
>
>
> Thank you in advance!

WJ
Mon Jun 27 20:35:42 CDT 2005


<cfmortgagepro@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:zZ0we.9723$Zo.3956@bignews3.bellsouth.net...
> Hi,
>
> Anyhow, I am a novice programmer, and I will remain one as well...I have
> no plans to make programming my life ambition,

Then MS/Access form for client and or MS/FrontPage for web applications
would best fit your need. Now a day, MS/Office Pro also gives you a so
called InfoPath 2003 that is similar to Access Form but work with .Net and
XML and SQL/Server backend RDBMS.

c# is for true "serious" people who want to become "the developer". c# may
frustrate you more !

In short, you must love it both in good and bad times in order to understand
its potential !

> be fun to make my databases do some cool tricks and maybe write a
> simplistic client

MS/Access, FrontPage, InfoPath 2003, VB, Java Script can do these tricks as
well and cheap and 1,000 times easiers than .Net languages.

> to access the database over the LAN, and by internet
> as well. My programing will be centered around Data manipulation, i.e.
> collecting, sorting, and reporting on this data to myself.....

This is a very tough bone for a novice programmer to chew!

>
> I want to know which language you find most compelling to accomplish my
> mission.

If you still insist on .Net languages, then c# is in both ISO and ECMA
organizations while VB is very Microsoft. Lets imagine that tomorrow, CUS is
nuked and you have to sail to Italy, without c#, them EU bosses don't know
what VB mean, this can mean Very Bad for you. So c# will come to rescue you
and your family in the darkest hours !!! VERY TRUE !!!

> but everyone I come in contact with prefer C# over VB.net
>
That's called smart programming !

>
> Please, NO FLAMES; just logic
>
Same here!

>
> Thank you in advance!

Good luck to you, Novice!

John Webb

WJ
Mon Jun 27 20:47:12 CDT 2005


"WJ" <JohnWebbs@HotMail.Com> wrote in message
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>
> <cfmortgagepro@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:zZ0we.9723$Zo.3956@bignews3.bellsouth.net...
>
>> but everyone I come in contact with prefer C# over VB.net
>>

Correction needed: In .Net, c-sharp is written as c#, not C#. C# is a
musical symbol, it denotes Do Major (in Italian), in English, it is a C
Major !
Now, this case-sensitive thing alone will drive a novice crazy!

JWebb

Massimo
Mon Jun 27 20:54:27 CDT 2005

"WJ" <JohnWebbs@HotMail.Com> ha scritto nel messaggio
news:OYrOtE4eFHA.580@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...

> If you still insist on .Net languages, then c# is in both ISO and ECMA
> organizations while VB is very Microsoft. Lets imagine that tomorrow,
> CUS is nuked and you have to sail to Italy, without c#, them EU bosses
> don't know what VB mean, this can mean Very Bad for you. So c#
> will come to rescue you and your family in the darkest hours !!!
> VERY TRUE !!!

I don't know why you named Italy, but I'd *love* the situation to be as you
described; actually, there are lots of VB programmers here, and they're
often very bad ones who tought "hey, with VB I can make programs without
knowing anything at all about programming!".
Now, they got quite frustrated by this .NET thing, and tought again "sure
VB.NET is going to be a lot simpler than that C#, and I also already know
VB, so using it will be even simpler!".
And then, they got *even more* frustrated when they discovered that VB.NET
isn't actually *so* similar to VB 6 as they were expecting, and then
reverted back to VB 6. And their companies went with them, instead of firing
them at once.

This is definitely one of the strangest places to work in IT :-/


Massimo

WJ
Mon Jun 27 21:26:39 CDT 2005


"Massimo" <barone@mclink.it> wrote in message
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> I don't know why you named Italy,

I love Italy ! On top of that, I am a Roman Catholic . Though I never
realized that there are that many VBs overthere until you said so! So
ignorance I am !

John

Sahil
Mon Jun 27 21:22:23 CDT 2005

> c# is for true "serious" people who want to become "the developer". c# may
> frustrate you more !

I'm a humurous people, I am a developer, and I am not frustrated - but I
know C#.

- Sahil Malik [MVP]
Upcoming ADO.NET 2.0 book - http://tinyurl.com/9bync
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"WJ" <JohnWebbs@HotMail.Com> wrote in message
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>
> <cfmortgagepro@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:zZ0we.9723$Zo.3956@bignews3.bellsouth.net...
>> Hi,
>>
>> Anyhow, I am a novice programmer, and I will remain one as well...I have
>> no plans to make programming my life ambition,
>
> Then MS/Access form for client and or MS/FrontPage for web applications
> would best fit your need. Now a day, MS/Office Pro also gives you a so
> called InfoPath 2003 that is similar to Access Form but work with .Net and
> XML and SQL/Server backend RDBMS.
>
> c# is for true "serious" people who want to become "the developer". c# may
> frustrate you more !
>
> In short, you must love it both in good and bad times in order to
> understand its potential !
>
>> be fun to make my databases do some cool tricks and maybe write a
>> simplistic client
>
> MS/Access, FrontPage, InfoPath 2003, VB, Java Script can do these tricks
> as well and cheap and 1,000 times easiers than .Net languages.
>
>> to access the database over the LAN, and by internet
>> as well. My programing will be centered around Data manipulation, i.e.
>> collecting, sorting, and reporting on this data to myself.....
>
> This is a very tough bone for a novice programmer to chew!
>
>>
>> I want to know which language you find most compelling to accomplish my
>> mission.
>
> If you still insist on .Net languages, then c# is in both ISO and ECMA
> organizations while VB is very Microsoft. Lets imagine that tomorrow, CUS
> is nuked and you have to sail to Italy, without c#, them EU bosses don't
> know what VB mean, this can mean Very Bad for you. So c# will come to
> rescue you and your family in the darkest hours !!! VERY TRUE !!!
>
>> but everyone I come in contact with prefer C# over VB.net
>>
> That's called smart programming !
>
>>
>> Please, NO FLAMES; just logic
>>
> Same here!
>
>>
>> Thank you in advance!
>
> Good luck to you, Novice!
>
> John Webb
>
>

WJ
Mon Jun 27 21:40:52 CDT 2005

:)

stax
Mon Jun 27 21:47:13 CDT 2005


> but everyone I come in contact with prefer C# over VB.net

this means nothing, think about it

stax

W
Mon Jun 27 23:11:37 CDT 2005

Languages are passe... Pimp the framework and the rest will fall into place.

--
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TiBA Solutions
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<cfmortgagepro@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:zZ0we.9723$Zo.3956@bignews3.bellsouth.net...
> Hi,
>
> I know that I'm an extreme newb by asking this overly beaten question,
> but I am leaning toward C#, becuase the perception is that it is better
> to learn than VB.Net. I guess it makes you cooler.:-)
>
> Anyhow, I am a novice programmer, and I will remain one as well...I have
> no plans to make programming my life ambition, but I think that it would
> be fun to make my databases do some cool tricks and maybe write a
> simplistic client to access the database over the LAN, and by internet
> as well. My programing will be centered around Data manipulation, i.e.
> collecting, sorting, and reporting on this data to myself.....
>
> I want to know which language you find most compelling to accomplish my
> mission. It may be that it doesn't have anything at all to do with the
> language, from my understanding they are close to equal, but everyone I
> come in contact with prefer C# over VB.net
>
>
> Please, NO FLAMES; just logic
>
>
> Thank you in advance!

Earl
Mon Jun 27 23:11:15 CDT 2005

Knowing one is nearly to know the other. VB.Net is much closer to C# than it
is to VB "classic". I do agree with you that some people turn up their nose
at the mere mention of anything with "VB" in its name, but thats somewhat
showing their ignorance also. Best just to know both, and not so difficult
to slide across once you know one.

<cfmortgagepro@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:zZ0we.9723$Zo.3956@bignews3.bellsouth.net...
> Hi,
>
> I know that I'm an extreme newb by asking this overly beaten question,
> but I am leaning toward C#, becuase the perception is that it is better
> to learn than VB.Net. I guess it makes you cooler.:-)
>
> Anyhow, I am a novice programmer, and I will remain one as well...I have
> no plans to make programming my life ambition, but I think that it would
> be fun to make my databases do some cool tricks and maybe write a
> simplistic client to access the database over the LAN, and by internet
> as well. My programing will be centered around Data manipulation, i.e.
> collecting, sorting, and reporting on this data to myself.....
>
> I want to know which language you find most compelling to accomplish my
> mission. It may be that it doesn't have anything at all to do with the
> language, from my understanding they are close to equal, but everyone I
> come in contact with prefer C# over VB.net
>
>
> Please, NO FLAMES; just logic
>
>
> Thank you in advance!

Jon
Tue Jun 28 00:24:31 CDT 2005

WJ <JohnWebbs@HotMail.Com> wrote:
> Correction needed: In .Net, c-sharp is written as c#, not C#. C# is a
> musical symbol, it denotes Do Major (in Italian), in English, it is a C
> Major !
> Now, this case-sensitive thing alone will drive a novice crazy!

Just in case you were serious - C# is capitalised, according to the
language specification.

--
Jon Skeet - <skeet@pobox.com>
http://www.pobox.com/~skeet
If replying to the group, please do not mail me too

Herfried
Tue Jun 28 00:29:33 CDT 2005

"WJ" <JohnWebbs@HotMail.Com> schrieb:
>>> but everyone I come in contact with prefer C# over VB.net
>
> Correction needed: In .Net, c-sharp is written as c#, not C#. C# is a
> musical symbol, it denotes Do Major (in Italian), in English, it is a C
> Major !
> Now, this case-sensitive thing alone will drive a novice crazy!

It's actually "C#", 'Visual Basic .NET" ("VB.NET") and ".NET".

--
M S Herfried K. Wagner
M V P <URL:http://dotnet.mvps.org/>
V B <URL:http://classicvb.org/petition/>

Morten
Tue Jun 28 01:25:04 CDT 2005

Hi,

Seeing as noone seems to have touched the issues I find important ...

If you have no background in C/C++/Java or similar you may find VB.NET easier to understand simply because it has less symbols and more logical words. If you have dabbled in C/C++/Java or similar you may find C# to be easier to do.

There are no real performance differences between C# and VB.NET. With a few minor exceptions they are each capable of doing the same things.

As Malik said, what takes time is learning to know the framework, which is identical for all .NET languages. If you read the questions in these groups you will find that the answers in many cases are language independent, valid for both C# and VB.NET. And in those cases that it is language dependent, translating it to the other language is a simple task.

Go with what you prefer, either is fine.


--
Happy coding!
Morten Wennevik [C# MVP]

DraguVaso
Tue Jun 28 04:10:19 CDT 2005

I have the same opinion: C# en VB.NET are really close. It just depends on
preferences.
I used to work in VB6, so VB.NET seemed the most logic thing to me. but if
you know VB.NET, you automaticly can work in C# too: it's the same syntax,
they just put it a little bit otherwise on the form, like this:
- VB.NET: "I am a programmer"
- C#: "{A programmer I am}"
One of the things I really dislike about C# is the fact that you have to put
al those {}{}{}{} :-)

"Morten Wennevik" <MortenWennevik@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:op.ss2hf2vzklbvpo@stone...
> Hi,
>
> Seeing as noone seems to have touched the issues I find important ...
>
> If you have no background in C/C++/Java or similar you may find VB.NET
easier to understand simply because it has less symbols and more logical
words. If you have dabbled in C/C++/Java or similar you may find C# to be
easier to do.
>
> There are no real performance differences between C# and VB.NET. With a
few minor exceptions they are each capable of doing the same things.
>
> As Malik said, what takes time is learning to know the framework, which is
identical for all .NET languages. If you read the questions in these groups
you will find that the answers in many cases are language independent, valid
for both C# and VB.NET. And in those cases that it is language dependent,
translating it to the other language is a simple task.
>
> Go with what you prefer, either is fine.
>
>
> --
> Happy coding!
> Morten Wennevik [C# MVP]

Carlos
Tue Jun 28 04:31:29 CDT 2005


"Herfried K. Wagner [MVP]" <hirf-spam-me-here@gmx.at> escribió en el mensaje
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> It's actually "C#", 'Visual Basic .NET" ("VB.NET") and ".NET".

"Visual C#" ;-)

http://msdn.microsoft.com/vcsharp/


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Carlos
Tue Jun 28 04:33:59 CDT 2005

I agree on this. Languages are only a thin "layer" to learn on top of the
.NET Framework beast.


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"Sahil Malik [MVP]" <contactmethrumyblog@nospam.com> escribió en el mensaje
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> Do both.
>
> Learn the framework and learn both languages. Then become polished in
> whichever the first project is on - that is what you will get most
> practise with anyway.
>
> - Sahil Malik [MVP]

Mark
Tue Jun 28 04:54:10 CDT 2005

"WJ" <JohnWebbs@HotMail.Com> wrote in message
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> Correction needed: In .Net, c-sharp is written as c#, not C#. C# is a
> musical symbol, it denotes Do Major (in Italian), in English, it is a C
> Major !

No it isn't - C# is the black note between C natural and D natural.

Cor
Tue Jun 28 05:03:16 CDT 2005

Hi,

I have seen a lot of discussion about this. Only one guy impressed me with
what and how he wrote about this subject.

http://groups-beta.google.com/group/microsoft.public.dotnet.general/msg/804482b9cce63bb7?hl=en

I hope this gives an idea.

Cor

Sam
Tue Jun 28 05:20:00 CDT 2005

put some c# source and some vb.net source side by side, have a good
look at them and choose the one where you like the look of the source
better.

(I was going to say 'flip a coin', but you wanted logic, and logic
tells me it would be better to work with the language you like the
looks of) :)

Sam

cfmortgagepro@yahoo.com schrieb:
> Hi,
>
> I know that I'm an extreme newb by asking this overly beaten question,
> but I am leaning toward C#, becuase the perception is that it is better
> to learn than VB.Net. I guess it makes you cooler.:-)
>
> Anyhow, I am a novice programmer, and I will remain one as well...I have
> no plans to make programming my life ambition, but I think that it would
> be fun to make my databases do some cool tricks and maybe write a
> simplistic client to access the database over the LAN, and by internet
> as well. My programing will be centered around Data manipulation, i.e.
> collecting, sorting, and reporting on this data to myself.....
>
> I want to know which language you find most compelling to accomplish my
> mission. It may be that it doesn't have anything at all to do with the
> language, from my understanding they are close to equal, but everyone I
> come in contact with prefer C# over VB.net
>
>
> Please, NO FLAMES; just logic
>
>
> Thank you in advance!

Massimo
Tue Jun 28 05:49:57 CDT 2005

"WJ" <JohnWebbs@HotMail.Com> ha scritto nel messaggio
news:uPQZLh4eFHA.3184@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...

>> I don't know why you named Italy,
>
> I love Italy !

Me too, I live here ;-)
The country is beaufitul, but the people... well... if you're a tourist
they're ok, but if you're trying to ever accomplish *anything*, this is
absolutely not the best place :-/
This is especially true for IT jobs... IT here was ruined by legions of
wanna-be programmers, technicians and sysadmins who bought "computer
programming for dummies" (or things like that) and then tried to get a job,
and stupid companies managed by people who don't even know what a computer
is but think they can get rich with them.

> On top of that, I am a Roman Catholic.

This always seemed strange to me... I can go to st. Peter's in 15 minutes,
and there are people from all over the world who only saw it in pictures
:-)))

> Though I never realized that there are that many VBs overthere
> until you said so! So ignorance I am !

Yes, there are... and many of them are as I described above. If you saw a
RecordSet being used by one of them as I saw one, you would have wept over
that poor RecordSet's tragic fate :-(

Massimo

Massimo
Tue Jun 28 05:51:28 CDT 2005

"WJ" <JohnWebbs@HotMail.Com> ha scritto nel messaggio
news:uPQZLh4eFHA.3184@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...

>> I don't know why you named Italy,
>
> I love Italy ! On top of that, I am a Roman Catholic . Though I never
> realized that there are that many VBs overthere until you said so! So
> ignorance I am !

By the way: I prefer C#, but it's only a syntax thing.
I never used VB (altough I know something about it), but used C, C++ and
Java extensively... and I definitely prefer { and } over BEGIN and END.


Massimo

Cor
Tue Jun 28 05:58:04 CDT 2005

Massimo,


.. and I definitely prefer { and } over BEGIN and END.

That was what I too was always thinking.

I see now large benefits from the seperated kinds of begin and ends in
Visual Basic.

A nested procedure 6 deep with only {} do I find already almost a crime.

In VBNet I have not seen the maximum of that and it stays still stays
readable.

Just my thought about this

Cor

Paul
Tue Jun 28 09:15:55 CDT 2005

On Tue, 28 Jun 2005 00:37:51 GMT, cfmortgagepro@yahoo.com wrote:


¤ I want to know which language you find most compelling to accomplish my
¤ mission. It may be that it doesn't have anything at all to do with the
¤ language, from my understanding they are close to equal, but everyone I
¤ come in contact with prefer C# over VB.net
¤

What did they say when you asked them why?


Paul
~~~~
Microsoft MVP (Visual Basic)

Herfried
Tue Jun 28 09:54:50 CDT 2005

Carlos,

"Carlos J. Quintero [.NET MVP]" <carlosq@NOSPAMsogecable.com> schrieb:
>> It's actually "C#", 'Visual Basic .NET" ("VB.NET") and ".NET".
>
> "Visual C#" ;-)
>
> http://msdn.microsoft.com/vcsharp/

Visual C# is Microsoft's product. The language's name accoding to the ECMA
specification is C#:

<URL:http://www.ecma-international.org/publications/standards/Ecma-334.htm>

--
M S Herfried K. Wagner
M V P <URL:http://dotnet.mvps.org/>
V B <URL:http://classicvb.org/petition/>

DavidAnton
Tue Jun 28 10:10:15 CDT 2005

Obviously, the best solution is to use both languages (and J# also) and then
buy our converters to switch between them as often as possible.
;)

David Anton
www.tangiblesoftwaresolutions.com
Home of:
Instant C#: VB.NET to C# Converter
Instant VB: C# to VB.NET Converter
Instant J#: VB.NET to J# Converter

"cfmortgagepro@yahoo.com" wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I know that I'm an extreme newb by asking this overly beaten question,
> but I am leaning toward C#, becuase the perception is that it is better
> to learn than VB.Net. I guess it makes you cooler.:-)
>
> Anyhow, I am a novice programmer, and I will remain one as well...I have
> no plans to make programming my life ambition, but I think that it would
> be fun to make my databases do some cool tricks and maybe write a
> simplistic client to access the database over the LAN, and by internet
> as well. My programing will be centered around Data manipulation, i.e.
> collecting, sorting, and reporting on this data to myself.....
>
> I want to know which language you find most compelling to accomplish my
> mission. It may be that it doesn't have anything at all to do with the
> language, from my understanding they are close to equal, but everyone I
> come in contact with prefer C# over VB.net
>
>
> Please, NO FLAMES; just logic
>
>
> Thank you in advance!
>

Carlos
Tue Jun 28 10:20:14 CDT 2005

Yes, yes, I know, although my impression is that nobody uses the term
"Visual C#"...

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Best regards,

Carlos J. Quintero

MZ-Tools: Productivity add-ins for Visual Studio .NET, VB6, VB5 and VBA
You can code, design and document much faster.
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"Herfried K. Wagner [MVP]" <hirf-spam-me-here@gmx.at> escribió en el mensaje
news:OTECVF$eFHA.1400@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
>
> Visual C# is Microsoft's product. The language's name accoding to the
> ECMA specification is C#:
>
> <URL:http://www.ecma-international.org/publications/standards/Ecma-334.htm>
>

Elliot
Tue Jun 28 10:21:29 CDT 2005

As a programmer in both, more VB.NET than Visual C#, I will echo some of
the sentiments and share my own.

Being that you are a novice programmer, it may be easier and faster for
you to start with VB.NET as opposed to C#. This curve is a bit dependent
on what tools you are using to learn with.

C#'s case dependence, bracketing, and lack of real human readable
keywords and syntax may make the transition a little longer than with
VB. The case issue was fixed in Whidbey with better Intellisense, so
this may not be an issue for you anymore... but there is something to be
said for being able to decipher how code blocks work when you are
looking at something like:

for Counter as integer = 0 to MyCollection.Count
...
next

versus

for (int Counter = 0; Counter < MyCollection.Count; Counter++)
{
}

It is less verbose, but does not convey terribly clearly what is happening.

That having been said... I can say that my usage of C# with VB.NET has
made me a much better programmer overall. Why? Because C# forces you in
some degree to pay attention to concise, clear code. This translates
well into VB.NET, despite the somewhat more verbose syntax.

Lastly, while totally undeserved, there is something to be said in the
community about being able to program in C# than VB.NET. I think part of
this is Microsoft's fault (I wont change the thread here by launching
into my reasons why I believe this), part is from the general perception
since the early VB days of it being a "toy" language.

My 2 cents, thrown in with the rest of the group.


Morten Wennevik wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Seeing as noone seems to have touched the issues I find important ...
>
> If you have no background in C/C++/Java or similar you may find VB.NET
> easier to understand simply because it has less symbols and more logical
> words. If you have dabbled in C/C++/Java or similar you may find C# to
> be easier to do.
>
> There are no real performance differences between C# and VB.NET. With a
> few minor exceptions they are each capable of doing the same things.
>
> As Malik said, what takes time is learning to know the framework, which
> is identical for all .NET languages. If you read the questions in these
> groups you will find that the answers in many cases are language
> independent, valid for both C# and VB.NET. And in those cases that it
> is language dependent, translating it to the other language is a simple
> task.
>
> Go with what you prefer, either is fine.
>
>

Cor
Tue Jun 28 11:10:03 CDT 2005

> Obviously, the best solution is to use both languages (and J# also) and
> then
> buy our converters to switch between them as often as possible.
> ;)
>
LOL

Herfried
Tue Jun 28 11:24:13 CDT 2005

"Carlos J. Quintero [.NET MVP]" <carlosq@NOSPAMsogecable.com> schrieb:
> Yes, yes, I know, although my impression is that nobody uses the term
> "Visual C#"...

ACK! And /really nobody/ uses the plain term "Basic" when talking about
Visual Basic .NET, except Microsoft in the VS.NET IDE properties dialog ;-).

--
M S Herfried K. Wagner
M V P <URL:http://dotnet.mvps.org/>
V B <URL:http://classicvb.org/petition/>

William
Tue Jun 28 11:55:01 CDT 2005

The programming language that's best for you is a function of where you come
from. As Morten so clearly said, if you come from the OO-style languages C#
will be more comfortable but there's also Managed C++ for those folks and J#
as well. VB.NET was originally designed to help VB6 developers transition to
.NET. That's because at the time almost 80% of developers used VB6. It has
evolved over time (and is still evolving) to help developer productivity.
You'll find more differences in the Visual Studio.NET IDE than anywhere
else. In the current versions (and more so in older versions) C# required
you to constantly rebuild your project to resolve addressing. C# is always
going to be case sensitive (which is a royal PITA) and pretty anal. Newer
versions of C# have included on-the-fly compilation (finally) and
edit-and-continue (unless they dropped it again)--but so does VB.NET (which
always did on-the-fly compilation). VB.NET also has a new "My" namespace to
vastly simplify some of the more convoluted framework references. But again,
they build virtually identical IL.

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"Morten Wennevik" <MortenWennevik@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:op.ss2hf2vzklbvpo@stone...
> Hi,
>
> Seeing as noone seems to have touched the issues I find important ...
>
> If you have no background in C/C++/Java or similar you may find VB.NET
> easier to understand simply because it has less symbols and more logical
> words. If you have dabbled in C/C++/Java or similar you may find C# to be
> easier to do.
>
> There are no real performance differences between C# and VB.NET. With a
> few minor exceptions they are each capable of doing the same things.
>
> As Malik said, what takes time is learning to know the framework, which is
> identical for all .NET languages. If you read the questions in these
> groups you will find that the answers in many cases are language
> independent, valid for both C# and VB.NET. And in those cases that it is
> language dependent, translating it to the other language is a simple task.
>
> Go with what you prefer, either is fine.
>
>
> --
> Happy coding!
> Morten Wennevik [C# MVP]

William
Tue Jun 28 11:56:13 CDT 2005

Yes, sure it is. Go back to your piano and let us get some work done.

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"Mark Rae" <mark@mark-N-O-S-P-A-M-rae.co.uk> wrote in message
news:ebABXd8eFHA.1036@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> "WJ" <JohnWebbs@HotMail.Com> wrote in message
> news:O1IaIL4eFHA.1040@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>
>> Correction needed: In .Net, c-sharp is written as c#, not C#. C# is a
>> musical symbol, it denotes Do Major (in Italian), in English, it is a C
>> Major !
>
> No it isn't - C# is the black note between C natural and D natural.
>

Massimo
Tue Jun 28 13:46:20 CDT 2005

"Cor Ligthert" <notmyfirstname@planet.nl> ha scritto nel messaggio
news:eoU6iB9eFHA.2692@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...

> A nested procedure 6 deep with only {} do I find already almost a crime.

A nested procedure with six depth levels is a crime anyway :-)

Massimo

Reginald
Tue Jun 28 17:14:41 CDT 2005

cfmortgagepro@yahoo.com wrote:
> Anyhow, I am a novice programmer, and I will remain one as well...I
> have no plans to make programming my life ambition, but I think that
> it would be fun to make my databases do some cool tricks and maybe
> write a simplistic client to access the database over the LAN, and by
> internet as well. My programing will be centered around Data
> manipulation, i.e. collecting, sorting, and reporting on this data to
> myself.....
>
> I want to know which language you find most compelling to accomplish
> my mission. It may be that it doesn't have anything at all to do with
> the language, from my understanding they are close to equal, but
> everyone I come in contact with prefer C# over VB.net

The one thing that hasn't been mentioned, that I saw, is the direction that
Microsoft is pushing the languages towards in 2.0. The last time I went to
a presentation on this, which was a while ago, each language had been given
a particular focus.

The focus for VB.Net in 2.0 was to be the rapid application development
platform. They include the My.* heirarchy to allow for quick access to
various items... basically instant help. I believe that it also had
slightly better support, in the development UI, for developing forms, but I
could be misremembering.

The focus for C# was on back end business processing. As such it came with
facilities for assisting coding with standard Gang of Four patterns and the
ability to refactor code quite easily.

The focus for Managed C++ was for 'down and dirty' close to the framework,
fast as possible, type work.

Based on what you've said above, sounds like C# in 2.0 is better suited for
your likes and dislikes. But that's just a guess. And my recollection of
things may be off, as well as things may have changed.

--
Reginald Blue
"I have always wished that my computer would be as easy to use as my
telephone. My wish has come true. I no longer know how to use my
telephone."
- Bjarne Stroustrup (originator of C++) [quoted at the 2003
International Conference on Intelligent User Interfaces]

Cor
Wed Jun 29 01:23:21 CDT 2005